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Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by constantcrying »

Fiveplus wrote: post #12

The C15 represents a time when a vehicle was a tool. I feel vehicles want to turn into a subscription service these days. I still see these running in rural Spain and France, usually held together with wire and hope, clocking like what 400k+ km? The XUD diesel engines are practically unkillable. They have no ECU to brick, no adblue sensors to fail and put the car into limp mode and thankfully none of those DRM locked…

>They have no ECU to brick, no adblue sensors to fail and put the car into limp mode

Which means they are some of the most polluting and wasteful cars available. ECUs are good. They make cars safer, more reliable and more efficient. Car manufacturers had to be dragged kicking and screaming to add adblue, because the Diesel engines are pretty toxic otherwise.

The apologia for old cars is just insane, they are not what you think they are.

>If your C15 breaks down in a field, you can fix it with a wrench.

This is just delusional.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

acheron wrote: post #234
k4rli wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trailers do exist and there is no good reason to drive a commercial vehicle every day for simple trips. It is also less expensive to use a trailer.

Yes, I’m sure that guy made the comment so he could get advice from HN’s top minds about how he doesn’t actually know what his requirements are.

It is fine if one of your key requirements is to compensate for something ;)

Fellow motorbike trailer owner here.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by kelnos »

speedgoose wrote: post #400
nosianu wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how useful it is to argue based on comparisons of that ancient car and new ones. Yes yes I know that's how it started, but I think it is obvious that a useful discussion is about looking at the principles behind that old car, and then to apply "what if" to modern ones. I'm making this assumption based on how utterly useless it is to try to have a serious discussion that's really about that old car vs. a…

Sorry, the statement that a shitty C15 is safer than a modern SUV is too hard to ignore. Overall, my statement isn't to take very seriously though.

Not quite. The statement was that the C15 is safer for people outside of the car than the modern SUV.

If I had to get hit by a car, I'd much rather it be the C15 than the modern SUV. I'm much less likely to survive the SUV hitting me.

Now you can make the argument that other modern safety features make it less likely that the modern SUV would even hit you in the first place (given automatic emergency braking, etc.), and I suspect you might even be right, but I think that requires some data to back it up.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by kelnos »

everdrive wrote: post #356
loeg wrote: post #270

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Modern cars break down less than older cars -- they are more reliable, not less. They generate more power, with better emissions. They have a wealth of creature comforts and features beyond what 1980s cars had.

> They have a wealth of creature comforts and features beyond what 1980s cars had. I don't want these, I don't want to pay for them. They raise the cost and they're unavoidable. This is a NEGATIVE, not a positive.

For you. Everyone's tastes are different. I remember riding around in cars in the 80s, and I much prefer the comfort of my current modern car, enough to make some trade offs around the annoying computerization of it.

I suspect that there are more people around with my tastes than yours, and that's a driver of sales.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by constantcrying »

Fischgericht wrote: post #206

I can confirm all of the findings. My first car I got in Germany was a C15. I used it to transport server racks, but also had a mattress in the back and had my first sex on it. On muddy festivals where others cars got stuck, I was able to get out easily. Repairs were dirt cheap. It also had a tow bar, and was able to pull a 1.5 metric ton trailer to get equipment to a computer party. And I still was able to do 160 km…

>Best car I ever had.

You were doing 160 in a death trap with minimal safety features, which was literally making the air unbreathable.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by labcomputer »

weli wrote: post #287
emtel wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Guillotine for the super rich Can we not glorify mass executions on HN please? Bluesky is available if that's your thing.

When did hacker news become so right wing that saying the French revolution was a good societal movement is seen as "glorifying mass executions"? lmao

You… might want to read more about what happened during the French Revolution, after they killed all the royalty.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by testing22321 »

loeg wrote: post #281
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #228

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Surely the hilux would be more popular than the ranger, but maybe Toyota just sends those to the developing world and Australia?

The Hilux is the second best selling truck in Europe, as far as I can tell. The similar (but not identical) US model is the Tacoma.

> The similar (but not identical) US model is the Tacoma.

This is a very common misconception.

At no point have the hilux and Tacoma shared any parts. Not engines, transmissions, frames, breaks, axles, wiring or anything interior.

The hilux is a small efficient turbo diesel with plenty of torque. The Tacoma is an anemic gas V6 that gets horrible mileages.

The Tacoma is significantly larger, and has a lower payload.

The hilux is an actual utility work vehicle, the Tacoma cosplays as one.

I’ve lived in Australia and Canada for 20 years each, driven many models of each many tens of thousands of kilometres.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by testing22321 »

jijijijij wrote: post #343
testing22321 wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re also vastly safer

* For the driver. Large cars/SUVs are vastly more dangerous for everyone else. Visibility in modern cars is also much worse, regardless of size.

ABS, traction control, lane assist, crumple zones and many more things benefit everyone on the road.

Of course the emissions from that old diesel are a major health hazard. I’d rather not have that drive past my yard where my toddler is playing.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by Rendello »

Fischgericht wrote: post #206

I can confirm all of the findings. My first car I got in Germany was a C15. I used it to transport server racks, but also had a mattress in the back and had my first sex on it. On muddy festivals where others cars got stuck, I was able to get out easily. Repairs were dirt cheap. It also had a tow bar, and was able to pull a 1.5 metric ton trailer to get equipment to a computer party. And I still was able to do 160 km…

Reminds me of the 1973 Toyota RV-2 concept car, with the back of the car being a giant sexy shag carpet. Look at this amazing (nude) ad in Penthouse:

https://web.archive.org/web/20180408023557/https://members.i...

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by bgnn »

Lio wrote: post #409
thelastgallon wrote: post #123

The French seem to be very thoughtful people who solved multiple pesky problems permanently: 1) Guillotine for the super rich 2) Nuclear to power >70% 3) C15 for people, cows, craftsmen, mini house 4) TGV 5) french fries for the fastest carbohydrate delivery, handily beating rice I wish they bring back the first 3 and do some shorts, market them to the world. Fries are doing fine.

I'm a big fan of the current range of French Renault electric cars. The 5, 4, Megan and Scenic are just excellent. I think the Scenic is probably the one I'd buy right now based on the range, 380 miles but the 5 and the 4 have so much character they're probably the first really iconic electric car designs IMHO.

This! Especially 5!
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