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Post by weatherlite »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #396
weatherlite wrote: post #358

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What ? In most countries, including the U.S, they are a very highly paid profession (I'm not talking about the internship phase)

"Rich doctor" is a thing only in the U.S., and that's due to collusion and price fixing, not because American doctors are better somehow. In the rest of the world doctors are basically like white-collar car mechanics, and often earn less money and respect.

This is a reach. Can you share a few examples of Western countries where that is the case?

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by xlii »

kachapopopow wrote: post #383
Bayko wrote: post #363

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I have what you would call metric shittons of ADHD. Medically diagnosed. Was kicked outta university for failing grades and all. Pills saved me. If you think you have it, the best thing you can do for yourself is at least get a diagnosis done. In b4 people come in and chime it can be faked. Yes the symptoms can be faked. But why would you if you really want to know what is wrong with you if any? (Hoping you aren't a…

I really hope this doesn't get lost in the sea of comments and don't feel pressured to answer any of them but: what would you recommend if one is against the idea of medication in general for neurological issues that aren't deterental to ones life? do you feel the difference between being medicated and (strong?) coffee? have you felt the effects weaken over time? if you did drink coffee, have you noticed a difference…

> what would you recommend if one is against the idea of medication in general for neurological issues that aren't deterental to ones life?

Given that ADHD people tend to commit suicide 2x-4x times more often than general population [0] keep in mind that it's not detrimental until it suddenly is.

Also it gets worse with age, so it's better to get under doctor's control sooner than later.

[0]: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5371172/

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Post by websiteapi »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #385
mlmonkey wrote: post #156

My uncle had an issue with his balance and slurred speech. Doctors claimed dementia and sent him home. It kept becoming worse and worse. Then one day I entered the symptoms in ChatGPT (or was it Gemini?) and asked it for the top 3 hypotheses. The first one was related to dementia. The second was something else (I forget the long name). I took all 3 to his primary care doc who had kept ignoring the problem, and asked…

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> The proper decorum here is if the doctor made the wrong diagnosis. All fees and causal charges made by the doctor must be fully refunded and paid for. It’s only fair given the premium they were originally given to make a false diagnosis.

lol terrible idea. just as great as having so that the service you bought is entirely refunded if the code has a single bug.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by websiteapi »

the amount of people willing to delegate to chatgpt tells me in the near future only rich people will be able to speak with a real doctor. the current top comment about someone's uncle being saved due to chatgpt guidance says it all.

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Post by wookmaster »

rl3 wrote: post #362
nomel wrote: post #277

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General doctors aren't trained for problem solving, they're trained for memorization. The doctors that are good at problem solving aren't general doctors.

That's a sweeping generalization unsupported by facts. In reality you'll find the vast majority of GPs are highly intelligent and quite good at problem solving. In fact, I'd go so far as to say their training is so intensive and expansive that laypeople who make such comments are profoundly lacking in awareness on the topic. Physicians are still human, so like anything there's of course bad ones, specialists included…

You followed up a sweeping generalization with a sweeping generalization and a touch of bias.

I imagine the issue with problem solving more lays in the system doctors are stuck in and the complete lack of time they have to spend on patients.

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Post by ihtef »

logicallee wrote: post #412
ihtef wrote: post #408

I always check my blood test and mrı results with ChatGPT before showing to Doctor. Doctor says same thing what ChatGPT says and it's giving more clear and detailed information. However we shouldn't trust chatgpt result 100%. It's just good to take an idea. Also we shouldn't trust any doctor 100%

I ran a part of your comment through ChatGPT, and it said you're typing on a Turkish keyboard or have it set as your language. Is this true?

Yes, correct!

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Post by threethirtytwo »

gmadsen wrote: post #301
nomel wrote: post #277

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General doctors aren't trained for problem solving, they're trained for memorization. The doctors that are good at problem solving aren't general doctors.

You still need 2 deviations above the average college student to get to med school. As a rough proxy for intelligence. The bottom threshold for doctors is certainly higher than lawyers

It’s 120 to 130 which is similar to engineers.

They aren’t that much smarter. The selection criteria is more about the ability to handle pressure than it is about raw intelligence.

Tons of bottom feeders go to medical schools in say Kansas, so there’s a lot of leeway here in terms of intelligence.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by wookmaster »

Rebuff5007 wrote: post #379
mlmonkey wrote: post #156

My uncle had an issue with his balance and slurred speech. Doctors claimed dementia and sent him home. It kept becoming worse and worse. Then one day I entered the symptoms in ChatGPT (or was it Gemini?) and asked it for the top 3 hypotheses. The first one was related to dementia. The second was something else (I forget the long name). I took all 3 to his primary care doc who had kept ignoring the problem, and asked…

I've heard a lot of such anecdotes. I'm not saying its ill-intentioned, but the skeptic in me is cautious that this is the type of reasoning which propels the anti-vax movement. I wish / hope the medical community will address stories like this before people lose trust in them entirely. How frequent are mis-diagnosis like this? How often is "user research" helping or hurting the process of getting good health outcome…

If you keep hearing anecdotes at what point is it statistically important ? IBM 15 years ago was selling a story about a search engine they created specifically for the medical field(they had it on jeopardy) where doctors spent 10 years before they figured this poor patients issue. They plugged the original doctors notes into it and the 4th result was the issue they took a decade to figure out. Memorizing dozens of medical books and being able to recall and correlate all that information in a human brain is a rare skill to be good at. The medical system works hard to ensure everyone going through can memorize but clearly search engines/llms can be a massive help here.

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Post by threethirtytwo »

websiteapi wrote: post #423
threethirtytwo wrote: post #385

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> The proper decorum here is if the doctor made the wrong diagnosis. All fees and causal charges made by the doctor must be fully refunded and paid for. It’s only fair given the premium they were originally given to make a false diagnosis. lol terrible idea. just as great as having so that the service you bought is entirely refunded if the code has a single bug.

Well the issue here is that the bug can cause you to die or can fuck up your entire life. A software bug generally doesn’t do anything to you and you actually don’t pay much money for software.

One false diagnosis from a doctor costs you thousands of dollars and fucks up your life.

Remember mcas? The bug on the 737 max that forced Boeing to pay reparations? That’s the level of bullshit people are dealing with for doctors. Life altering stuff. This isn’t some chrome bug or smart phone bug. Therefore the penalties and repercussions of mistakes should be equivalent.

If the diagnosis only costs 100 dollars or something, and I was told that the diagnosis was only a probability… I could accept a no refund policy in that case.

Re: ChatGPT Health

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Post by rl3 »

threethirtytwo wrote: post #407
rl3 wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a sweeping generalization unsupported by facts. In reality you'll find the vast majority of GPs are highly intelligent and quite good at problem solving. In fact, I'd go so far as to say their training is so intensive and expansive that laypeople who make such comments are profoundly lacking in awareness on the topic. Physicians are still human, so like anything there's of course bad ones, specialists included…

> In reality you'll find the vast majority of GPs are highly intelligent and quite good at problem solving. Is this statement supported by facts? If anything this statement is just your internal sentiment. If you claim it’s not supported by facts the proper thing you should do is offer facts to counter his statement. Don’t claim his statement isn’t supported by facts than make a counter claim without facts yourself.…

>Is this statement supported by facts?

Yeah, the main fact here is called medical school.[0]

>Read that fact. 800,000 deaths from misdiagnosis a year is pretty pathetic. And this is just deaths.

Okay, and if that somehow flows from GPs (but not specialists!) being uniquely poor at problem solving relative to all other types of physicians—irrespective of wider issues inherent in the U.S. healthcare system—then I stand corrected.

>135x better survival rate of getting on a 737 max

The human body isn't a 737.

>I will say this GPs are in general not very competent. They are about as competent and trust worthy as a car mechanic.

Ignorant.

[0] https://medstudenthandbook.hms.harvard.edu/md-program-object...

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