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Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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..and you think those work?

Of course they do, if enforced. The number of eight year-olds working in factories is substantially lower than it used to be due to regulations. *in modern democracies

>if enforced..

There lies the problem...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46528718

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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I think common sense here can be a guide though. You don't need sugar at all, excluding high levels of anaerobic exercise. Your liver can produce the glucose your body actually needs from other sources (gluconeogenesis) and a lot of your tissues that use glucose also can use fatty acids or ketones. Fructose isn't needed at all. ("low blood sugar" isn't a symptom of not consuming enough sugar, it's a symptom of a disr…

I would caution that just because your body can make something doesn't mean it will have optimal performance when doing so. People in ketosis do have worse peak performance in sports than those that eat more carbs/sugar.

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Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Has any one successfully code with same focus after cutting sugar? Seems sugar is really important for focus. Whats your experience?

Why are you cutting out sugar, unless you mean reduce. But you shouldn't stop eating sugar, its required, just not in excessive amounts.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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Milk is not high satiety, come on now.

Drink a glass of whole milk, then drink a cup of skim milk and tell me there is no difference. Try the same with full fat yogurt and non-fat yogurt. Big difference in satiety, but more importantly blood sugar response. Roughly the same amount of fat in a glass of whole milk as 1/4 pound burger.

I don't think anyone ( at least around me ) is drinking milk based drink twice as much just because they feel like they get less energy per drink from skimmed milk.

You are making an argument that people do so, do you have any evidence for this ?

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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> it's hard to investigate without some reasonably solid evidence of a crime I’d say the Ariely affair is reasonably suspicious.

I don't disagree, but it appears Duke did investigate in that case, and was unable to prove intentional wrongdoing. I am glad it takes more than mere suspicion for the government to go search my private writings and possessions.

> it appears Duke did investigate in that case, and was unable to prove intentional wrongdoing

They also kept the grant money. The university investigating itself isn’t meaningful.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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High-fat high-carb diet certainly is. There is however no conclusive data that high-fat low-carb diet OR low-fat high-carb diet contribute to CVD.

I wonder if this is because it has less to do with fat and carbs and more to do with processed foods. The Mediterranean diet is regarded as quite healthy by many health professionals but, it is also high in carbs and fat. But these are healthy, unprocessed carbs and fats. Whole grains and olive oil. People going for high fat, low carb / low fat, high carb are usually doing so while also sticking to real foods.

When people say "fat" is bad for you, they mean saturated fat. Mediterranean diet is quite low on saturated fat, while still having the good fats.

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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So that ends up being roughly 20 grams of saturated fat. I still consider that quite high, given that there is a strong correlation between saturated fat consumption and CVD.

> there is a strong correlation between saturated fat consumption and CVD Reference? Many of the old studies have been proven flawed and, no surprise, corrupt [1]. Recent studies seem to suggest that it's only linked for some people. Disclaimer: I am nearly uneducated with this topic, but find it increasingly hard to trust anything nutrition related, where big money is involved. [1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/artic…

I really wish people would stop sharing that article as if it means anything. Nina Teicholz is not who you should be getting your science from.

Her views are not the scientific consensus. She is not a scientist, she is a journalist with an agenda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Teicholz

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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> Vegetarians and vegans have lower T2D incidence on average FWIW. Anecdotally, my dad tried vegetarianism for quite a while to address his T2D, but it had no effect. My mom cut out sugar and processed carbohydrates and her T2D was gone in ~3 months or so. Following any diet is probably better than nothing at all, which could explain the lower incidence of T2D in that group vs the general public. I’d be more curious…

> Anecdotally Then it is of no interest

There are studies that support it. Here is a meta analysis of low carb diets on T2D, the majority show it works, though as always, there is going to be some individual variability.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s13098-025-01890-7

Re: Sugar industry influenced researchers and blamed fat for CVD (2016)

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A good book that explains it all is The Case Against Sugar by Gary Taubes, which came out the same year as this article. Like many truths, it's actually well-known and frequently discussed in public, but hard to hear amongst all the noise of corporate messaging and decades of bad dietary 'advice' from both public and private institutions. To paraphrase the Oracle in the Matrix: What's really going to bake your noodle…

Yep. And thanks for the recommendation. I am currently reading The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Teicholz.

Nina Teicholz is not who you should be getting your dietary advice from. She has no qualifications.
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