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Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by wat10000 »

noomer2 wrote: post #220
wat10000 wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is, why would they bother when there’s cheaper and easier ways to do it? A high tech laser system is great for shooting stuff down because it replaces missile systems that cost even more. If you want to cripple people, why would you use it instead of a cheap gun or baton? “It could be used to hurt people” doesn’t mean much. You at least need “it could be used to hurt people, and it’s better at it in at leas…

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This isn’t an argument, it’s just an outburst.

Even if your goal is terror, cost effectiveness means you can commit more terror.

The pager attack was incredibly cost effective. It would have cost orders of magnitude more to achieve the same thing by dropping bombs.

Cost isn’t a number subtracted from a bank account. Cost is, how much of this can you actually do?

That’s the whole reason this system exists. Their other systems work fine for shooting stuff down. But they cost too much. That is to say, they can’t shoot enough stuff down. This system can shoot more stuff down.

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Post by simoom22 »

elcritch wrote: post #386
Amir_A wrote: post #367

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Except it is...? Jews were living peacefully in Palestine long before the establishment of a judeo-supremacist apartheid state, to the point you had entire refugee boats of Ashkenazis seeking safe harbor from the holocaust, who ironically became the cornerstone founding population of the Jewish state after the Nakba in 1948 killed and forcefully expelled hundreds of thousands of people (it's the ultimate cautionary t…

Zionist settlement started in the 1870’s on legally purchased land. Most of that land was uninhabited. Tel Aviv was founded on literal sand dunes in 1908 and is Israel’s most populated area. Jaffa was the closest Arab city which is still predominately Arab. Northern Israel become majority Jewish without military force under the Ottomans and then British empires. However even then there were regular pogroms and killin…

Your version is plenty uncut and soggy as well. A significant amount of land buys involved evictions of peasants. There was plenty of violence in the arab revolts against British rule, when Jewish militia acted as British auxiliaries. Pogroms were very rare in pre-modern Arab lands, and usually related to factional politics, since jews often had significant political rights and power. The British suck. Most MENA Jews migrated voluntarily, and there's clear evidence that mossad had projects to heighten tensions in those countries, including even planning the bombing of synagogues.

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Post by za3faran »

AbuAssar wrote: post #393
elcritch wrote: post #70

Personally I think that defensive technology like this is fantastic. It means that innocent citizens will be protected from constant bombardment or thread of bombardment by cheap mass produced rockets or drones. Israeli civilians have faced bombardment by tens of thousands of rockets from Gaza for the last 20 years [1]. Outside the Middle East there's many areas threatened by combatants with similar cheap missiles. P…

you have the audacity to play the victim card for Israil after the whole world -including you- witnessed live and in HD for over two years what they have done to Gaza poeple?

The hypocrisy is astounding. Even to this very day, how many Gazans have been slaughtered since the so called "ceasefire"? No one bats an eye.

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Post by wat10000 »

shigawire wrote: post #208
boredatoms wrote: post #200

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Do they have a public log of preventions we can look at? Seems fascinating to look at the numbers

The heuristic is that it would be in their interest to trumpet their successes.

The heuristic is that DoD doesn’t do counterterrorism. I don’t expect DoD to prevent terror attacks just like I don’t expect the FBI to blow up bunkers in Iran. We don’t need numbers to be able to confidently estimate that the number of Iranian bunkers blown up by the FBI is approximately zero.

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Post by za3faran »

scottoreily wrote: post #326
ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #324

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>Israeli civilians have faced bombardment by tens of thousands of rockets from Gaza for the last 20 years [1]. There's a reason that's been happening, and it's not technical in nature. Technical solutions are thus unlikely to successfully address the root cause.

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Does the "modern world" mean watching their children get deliberately sniped time and time again (confirmed by many 3rd party sources)? Let alone their homes destroyed, land usurped, and then treated as non-humans. Yet again, comments like this shows how they are being dehumanized.

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Post by unfitted2545 »

wslh wrote: post #322
mcpar-land wrote: post #34

Don't Get Distracted https://calebhearth.com/dont-get-distracted

I think the historical relationship between war and human societies is deeper than many like to admit. We often act as if advancing technology, and some societies well-being, have fundamentally changed human behavior, but in reality conflict and the use of force have been central to how groups have interacted for millennia. The peace utopia doesn't click. This isn’t an endorsement of corruption or violence; it’s just…

The blood meridian quote that stuck with me for this:

"War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner."

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Post by bethekidyouwant »

CrzyLngPwd wrote: post #292

Drone tech will adapt, as it has been in the russia/ukraine conflict. A small, fast, autonomous drone flying between trees and buildings, avoiding obstacles and not flying in a straight line could destroy such an expensive system with very little explosive. Or a cloud of such drones. Or launch your attack on a foggy/rainy day.

This is not gonna be placed within 15 km of a fibre optic operator

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Post by LtWorf »

XorNot wrote: post #381
richardwhiuk wrote: post #379

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It’s not clear that’s true. States which don’t fear being attacked are more likely to attack other states

Frankly where's the evidence of this? My country of Australia has no fear of being attacked, yet we haven't launched an endeavor of conquest of South East Asia.' Real life doesn't break down into simple narratives. The facts in the Middle East are that post-October 7 Israel aggressively bombarded Gaza at a scale and intensity where it did not previously, and a substantial chunk of the population supported that. In pa…

> My country of Australia has no fear of being attacked, yet we haven't launched an endeavor of conquest of South East Asia.'

You would have done it if you thought you could get away with it and had sufficient power.

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Post by hersko »

recroad wrote: post #253
elcritch wrote: post #70

Personally I think that defensive technology like this is fantastic. It means that innocent citizens will be protected from constant bombardment or thread of bombardment by cheap mass produced rockets or drones. Israeli civilians have faced bombardment by tens of thousands of rockets from Gaza for the last 20 years [1]. Outside the Middle East there's many areas threatened by combatants with similar cheap missiles. P…

Data says it’s the Palestinians that need defenses, not the ones doing 95% of the killing. https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Country A attacks vastly more powerful neighbor. They have no defensive infrastructure (for civilians), no plans for minimizing civilian deaths, no hope of actually winning the war they started. There strategy is to fight in a dense urban environment among their own civilians while firing thousands of unguided rockets at their enemy, knowing the retaliation is going to be horrific with no way for them to stop it (other than surrendering, but they would rather all die).

Country B has possibly the best missile defense system in the world; mainly because their neighbors shoot unguided rockets into their city. They work to defend their citizens at all costs even with expensive missiles and a protracted military campaign. They design cutting edge laser missile defense to help them alleviate the burden of protecting their citizens. The only reason they do not have to completely annihilate their neighbor who's shooting rockets at them is because they are able to intercept most of them. If those rockets were actually landing and causing tens of thousands of civilian casualties their retaliation would have to be far more deadly.

People on the internet: "actually its the civilians from country A who need defenses"

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