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Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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I don't know anything about Adguard, but good on the team for doing the extra digging instead of just going along with the claim. Even better that they're sharing what they've found with everyone else.

Their DNS is great. Removing websites without a good reason would quickly ruin everything for them.

I use their app on Android and it blocks ads system wide

I would recommend it

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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post #410

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> It's about whether we can carve out a space - some space - for people like you and me. Yes. Society at large is a lost cause but maybe we can select some number of known good individuals and form a microsociety inside it where we can enjoy the freedom we crave. There is a name for that: elitism. I'm not against it. Those who don't make the cut certainly will be. > If nothing else, you believe in objective truth, I…

"Everyone else is stupid. I'm not though. I should be part of the elite" The apathy and disdain people like you display for your fellow citizens is doing more harm to freedoms all over the world than most other efforts.

Oh please.

I've tried to debate politics with people so childishly stupid they thought just giving everyone a million dollars would make everyone rich and solve the world's problems. They thought the government just didn't want to give them the money, like it was a conspiracy to keep them down.

I'm tired of it, and I'm tired of people like that having a say in the future of nations.

I'm no super genius but I'm done being humble. Even a total pleb like me can rise above a good chunk of my "fellow citizens" because frankly the bar's pretty low.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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post #379

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You misunderstand the situation and what I was suggesting. GP was saying that AdGuard should have checked the contents of some random URL supposedly containing CSAM on archive.today. This is not AdGuard’s job. Knowingly downloading CSAM is very likely illegal. And it also potentially opens them up for additional liability if they do determine that CSAM is present. AdGuard seems like they did exactly the right thing,…

> Knowingly downloading CSAM is very likely illegal. Put CSAM in a banner ad, and arrest everyone who was served that ad? Post a CSAM photo behind plexiglass on a wall in a public space, and arrest everyone who walks by and glanced at it? Just how stupid do you think lawmakers, judges, prosecutors, and police are? People get arrested for paying for, or sharing CSAM, not just stumbling on a website that might have som…

Quite stupid, actually. Stuff like CSAM is not to be messed around with. Having it in your cache is considered possession by police forces, even if the judge won't convict you if you can explain it. Even if the police doesn't come after you, it's the exact point in almost every jurisdiction where someone else's content suddenly becomes your problem, legally speaking.

You won't go to jail or life most of the time if you can explain how or why, but there are extremely strict rules around CSAM that you need to deal with. One of those is "don't look at it unless absolutely necessary". For AdGuard, I doubt this use would qualify for "absolutely necessary". Even police forces use dedicated software that doesn't keep too many copies around, and restrict how many people are allowed to look at the screens for screening computers.

The people applying mass censorship are using CSAM as a weapon. It'd be unwise for AdGuard to give them the extra ammunition by (admitting to) checking the CSAM content themselves.

Furthermore, if the complaint has merit and the content linked does contain CSAM, there is some pretty bad shit out there. I'm not prepared to look at pictures of raped babies or tortured children but I know full well that that content is out there on the internet.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Generally if you encounter CSAM you should report to your countries appropriate organisation. Skip the police and go straight there to save everyone some time and avoid confusion. This agency will handle notifications etc to the site. USA - https://report.cybertip.org/reporting UK - https://report.iwf.org.uk/org/ (technically the NCA, but they are a catch all reporting target. As a private individual IWF will handle…

> Generally if you encounter CSAM you should report to your countries appropriate organisation. So I should report that I consumed child porn? That's a hard pass from me.

I would generally use the standard precautions (VPN/Tor/etc.) but I think these organizations would much rather have you report the content than go after you, unless you've been reporting a suspicious amount of content that indicates you frequent such circles (i.e. you're one of those internet vigilantes).

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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Am I crazy or did those WAAD guys themselves just link the public to potentially illegal content? As of writing, they have a public response hosted on their website, including screenshots of emails to/from Google with URLs that Google agreed to remove. WAAD censored out the URLs, except they didn't actually because whatever paintbrush tool they used didn't have the opacity maxed out. I'm not looking up those URLs to…

God... Here from their official "presse" announcement: https://web.archive.org/web/20251116002625/https://webabused...

Looks like they replace the file on their website with a new, actually censored version.

WAAD seems to be reading along here. Wonder if your archive.org link now makes archive.org one of their targets.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

#427
post #362

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Unfortunately they went along with it initially but at least they came to their senses in the end: https://github.com/AdguardTeam/AdguardFilters/issues/216586

This is why it’s better to use AdGuard only for its DNS blocking capability and not for DNS resolving - use a real resolver like unbound https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unbound_(DNS_server)

I would advise against using unbound on the client side as this way all your DNS queries will be unencrypted and visible to your ISP. Besides that, the DNS responses can be modified, this kind of censorship is very popular and used in many countries.

IMO it is safer to use a big popular DNS recursor (google, cloudflare, adguard, quad9, etc), use DoT/DoH/DoQ and maybe add some additional filtering on top of it.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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post #408

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The above post contains csam, Dang please delete it without reading. Thanks.

Nothing above links to anything suspicious mate, much less that.

That's not the argument. The argument is that "when someone relays to you a claim of illegal activity, you are not allowed to verify for yourself" is not tenable in a free society.

In this particular example, you have admitted to reading the subversive post and therefore your post should also be deleted.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

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God... Here from their official "presse" announcement: https://web.archive.org/web/20251116002625/https://webabused...

Looks like they replace the file on their website with a new, actually censored version. WAAD seems to be reading along here. Wonder if your archive.org link now makes archive.org one of their targets.

The guy who "censored" the links should turn himself over to the police over carelessness IMO.

Re: Our investigation into the suspicious pressure on Archive.today

#430
post #379

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You misunderstand the situation and what I was suggesting. GP was saying that AdGuard should have checked the contents of some random URL supposedly containing CSAM on archive.today. This is not AdGuard’s job. Knowingly downloading CSAM is very likely illegal. And it also potentially opens them up for additional liability if they do determine that CSAM is present. AdGuard seems like they did exactly the right thing,…

> Knowingly downloading CSAM is very likely illegal. Put CSAM in a banner ad, and arrest everyone who was served that ad? Post a CSAM photo behind plexiglass on a wall in a public space, and arrest everyone who walks by and glanced at it? Just how stupid do you think lawmakers, judges, prosecutors, and police are? People get arrested for paying for, or sharing CSAM, not just stumbling on a website that might have som…

> Just how stupid do you think lawmakers, judges, prosecutors, and police are?

Very! Unimaginably so! A friend of mine from Germany received a GIF that contained ONE FRAME of CSAM from someone in a group chat, Whatsapp auto-downloaded it into the gallery, something auto reported it and a month later, cops showed up to take away all his electronic devices. This is apparently a thing people do there, like americans SWAT livestreamers. I think it took over a year for them to return his devices. He had to pay for a lawyer and buy a new phone and laptop. He wasn't charged with anything, but because the report was automated, there wasn't even anyone to sue for a false report.

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