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Post by JumpCrisscross »

wat10000 wrote: post #392
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #389

Where'd all this abolish the senate nonsense come from recently? I get people have been complaining about 'flyover' states for a while now, but the Republicans also have the majority in the House at the moment. At least wait until the House doesn't represent the current majority party in the Senate (like it almost certainly will again eventually) to make that argument. I'm mildly worried that it's just an attempt to…

It's nothing new. It's fundamentally undemocratic and the reasons for having it are long gone. I don't care who controls it, it should go or at the very least be dramatically reformed.

> It's fundamentally undemocratic and the reasons for having it are long gone

Undemocratic is insufficient for removing a governing body per se. (Courts are technically undemocratic. That doesn't make them bad.)

Compared with the House, the Senate has behaved as designed--a far more mature body that actually deliberates from time to time.

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by almosthere »

port11 wrote: post #354
cthalupa wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Legal weed senators were voting for it because their constituents include people growing legal weed. The hemp product market competes with these constituents. The anti-weed senators were voting for it because they are anti-weed.

Honest question but how is hemp competing with weed? Are these different plants?

I'm surprised a lot of people missed this, but hemp growth actually causes thc plants to lower their cbd because of unexpected pollination. you can't grow them in the open near each other

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by idle_zealot »

hemp_is_canvas wrote: post #399
wat10000 wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's nothing new. It's fundamentally undemocratic and the reasons for having it are long gone. I don't care who controls it, it should go or at the very least be dramatically reformed.

There is the concept of illiberal democracy. The Senate, according to most political scientists who study this, is an important part of cutting that off that because bicameralism along with independent courts etc are good. It's mostly populism rising and not realizing how dangerous it would be to have another check on power removed. Reform the system, don't just turn to blind populism.

> No, we need the House of Lords, otherwise the plebeians might do something crazy like tax us!

Re: Hemp ban hidden inside government shutdown bill

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Post by smcin »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #389

Where'd all this abolish the senate nonsense come from recently? I get people have been complaining about 'flyover' states for a while now, but the Republicans also have the majority in the House at the moment. At least wait until the House doesn't represent the current majority party in the Senate (like it almost certainly will again eventually) to make that argument. I'm mildly worried that it's just an attempt to…

I think you're referring to "abolish the Senate filibuster rule"? recent lobbying.

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Post by HDThoreaun »

hemp_is_canvas wrote: post #351
mrguyorama wrote: post #298

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> wildly popular things, like legalizing marijuana, are not even considered by anyone in congress? Because it's not "not considered by anyone". Democrats have been demonstrably decriminalizing and legalizing weed all over the country, and the Democrats in the federal government have been pushing and submitting and trying to make it happen. It's republicans. They are the ones that continually stonewall a measure the v…

I'm confused, only 22 democratic senators tried to stop this, plus Paul and Cruz. They just did outlaw it only because it is not called "marijuana". Is it necessary to recount how this entire split is partially due to racism, anyway?

This law is about banning hemp companies from selling psychoactive products. It is about protecting weed companies from unregulated competition. The libertarians voted against it because they want to get rid of the regulation the weed companies face, not because they care more about legalizing weed,

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Post by cthalupa »

almosthere wrote: post #422
port11 wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question but how is hemp competing with weed? Are these different plants?

I'm surprised a lot of people missed this, but hemp growth actually causes thc plants to lower their cbd because of unexpected pollination. you can't grow them in the open near each other

There's a lot of confusion here.

The hemp products in question are not, like, hemp rope. They're just pot that is classified as hemp because they are harvested and processed in such a way that keeps the D9 THC below .3% at the time of testing.

If you were to go look at a growing operation for someone making THCa flower and then go look at a growing operation for someone making regulated legal marijuana, they would be virtually indistinguishable.

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Post by fundad »

goatlover wrote: post #78
hollywood_court wrote: post #54

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That has never really been true whenever they get power. Just like states rights, the deficit spending and federal overreach stops mattering. It's just a matter of which part of the government Republicans want to grow and have the funding (ICE for example). Republicans pretend to act principled when they're not the party in power. Amazing how that works.

Jobs stop mattering when they get power too. It all makes a lot more sense when you realize that party doesn't want economic growth.

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Post by hemp_is_canvas »

evil-olive wrote: post #417
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #389

Where'd all this abolish the senate nonsense come from recently? I get people have been complaining about 'flyover' states for a while now, but the Republicans also have the majority in the House at the moment. At least wait until the House doesn't represent the current majority party in the Senate (like it almost certainly will again eventually) to make that argument. I'm mildly worried that it's just an attempt to…

> Where'd all this abolish the senate nonsense come from recently? if you think it's recent, you haven't been paying particularly close attention 2021: The Senate Cannot Be Reformed — It Can Only Be Abolished [0] 2018: The Case for Abolishing the Senate [1] 2004: What Democracy? The case for abolishing the United States Senate [2] and that's just from the first page of Kagi results for "abolish the senate". I have no…

I suggest scholars such as Bednar.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287234169_The_Robus...

It's way, way more complicated than these articles suggest.

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Post by brightball »

the_gastropod wrote: post #355
brightball wrote: post #81

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The ACA was literally dreamed up by The Heritage Foundation, a right-wing think tank. This idea that it was some partisan thing Democrats forced on the country is hilarious. It was always a bending-over-backwards compromise solution to maintain the for-profit system. There’s a reason that, after 15 years freaking out about it, Republicans still have no plan for replacing it. Virtually any change, outside of more soci…

Party lines...

Senate: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/111-2009/s396

House: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/111-2010/h165

There's always been a plan to replace it with the only economically viable plan that can reduce the cost of healthcare. The same plan Dr. Ben Carson has been talking about for years.

It's the only solution proposed by anyone from either party that would work.

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