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Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport

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Post by kelnos »

jacquesm wrote: post #273
pixl97 wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I don't think I've heard of a bird strike knocking the engine off a plane.

Oh, interesting. They even made a movie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549 Once an engine breaks the question is whether or not it becomes unbalanced, that is one reason why they can become detached from the plane.

The account on that page seems to indicate that the engines didn't detach as a result of the bird strike. One detached upon impact with the river, and the other was still attached.

Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport

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Post by russdill »

hshdhdhehd wrote: post #418
kmarc wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Happened in the Netherlands: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al_Flight_1862 40+ people died in that one, it's a miracle it wasn't more.

Unrelated but this was interesting: > It departed from runway 01L Zwanenburgbaan (now known as runway 36C) Magnetic field change?

Yes, see relevant cgp grey video

Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport

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Post by Eiriksmal »

johann8384 wrote: post #342
octaane wrote: post #27

This is probably the worst way a plane could go down in terms of damage caused. Maximum effect in term of damage. Cargo plane apparently reached V1 (go/no go speed) on the runway, and suffered a catastrophic engine failure. They passed V1, so they knew they were going down. Engine was shedding large debris, including the housing (!!!) which is a shrapnel shield. They were on fire just as they reached V1. Plane was fu…

Not a UPS Factory (whatever that means). Grade A Auto Parts on Melton Ave was the initial damaged building. I don't have the name of the chemical place handy. Med Command setup at River City Metals.

I saw Penske Truck Leasing trailers on fire at Kentucky Truck on WHAS"s helicopter footage from last night. 15 years ago, I'd be there once a week doing parts runs from the PTL branch off Newburg. The security cam footage of the plane rolling from Kentucky Truck was insane. Thanks for working the scene. That smoke looked incredibly toxic.

Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport

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Post by toast0 »

SamuelAdams wrote: post #336

It does make me wonder: why are aircraft takeoffs and landings not recorded more often, with higher quality cameras and more angles? If I can watch an NFL replay in 4k a few seconds after the ball is snapped, why not record (and overwrite) all flights that take off and land at every airport? Like a dash cam, they can save the footage only if there is a problem. Surely that would be much better than splicing together…

> If I can watch an NFL replay in 4k a few seconds after the ball is snapped, why not record (and overwrite) all flights that take off and land at every airport?

An NFL game has a ton of cameras, a ton of camera operators, those fancy cameras on wire things, an onsite editing crew, and an audience.

To get good recordings, you'd need to invest a lot of time and money, and very few of the recordings would ever be watched. Doesn't seem worth the investment given third party recording seem to turn up quite often and video isn't terribly necessary for the investigation.

Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport

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Post by Jean-Papoulos »

> Ground observers reported the aircraft had been delayed for about two hours for work on the left hand engine (engine #1), the engine #1 separated during the takeoff run

Some people are gonna have to live with that for the rest of their lives. Not putting blame on humans here, but hopefully this triggers a tightening of procedures, as these kind of tragedies tend to.

Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport

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Post by Ferret7446 »

silisili wrote: post #350
JCM9 wrote: post #108

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Zoning guidance generally prohibits land use near an airport that has a high density of people, precisely to limit casualties during an event like this. Industrial would be permitted while residential and commercial use is not. Scarily there are communities that have ignored such logic and permitted dense residential development right next to an airport.

UPS actually bought and destroyed thousands of homes near their end of the airport about 20 years ago, under the guise of 'noise', but realistically for expansion of warehousing. Now, I guess I feel slightly less upset by that (my childhood home was one of them).

Both can be true at the same time (or all three if you include safety in addition to noise).

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Post by mschuster91 »

avalys wrote: post #361
mschuster91 wrote: post #204

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> TDLR 10-20 years ago, the US started allowing maintenance of domestic planes in foreign countries, outside the reach of the FAA’s inspections Foreign Repair Stations date back to the 90s [1], the thing is they need to be supervised by an FAA Certified Mechanic. Inspection of these was already a hot issue in the early '00s... No one gave a fuck, it was all about saving costs for a very long time. The linked 2007 rep…

> IMHO, this is a perfect example why the government needs to regulate prices in safety-critical industries. The "race to the bottom" must be prevented - sorry, flying NYC-SFO for 70$, that's not sustainable. This is nonsense. Commercial aviation is already ridiculously, insanely safe and has been for decades. Your proposed solution would not have done anything to prevent the one major accident in the past 15 years o…

> This is, like, the most ridiculous industry possible to demand more regulation of.

And yet, we got hundreds of people dead because Boeing by all accounts clearly isn't regulated enough - and cut corners because airlines wanted to maintain their pilot type ratings.

This should not have happened, at all.

Re: UPS plane crashes near Louisville airport

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Post by silisili »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #426
silisili wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UPS actually bought and destroyed thousands of homes near their end of the airport about 20 years ago, under the guise of 'noise', but realistically for expansion of warehousing. Now, I guess I feel slightly less upset by that (my childhood home was one of them).

Both can be true at the same time (or all three if you include safety in addition to noise).

True, but rather doubtful. UPS has owned that part of the airport for longer than I've been alive. As a kid, yeah sometimes a plane comes over but nobody really seemed to care.

Fast fwd 15 years and now the city is telling us how unsafe it is to live there, passing out studies about how airplane noise will ruin your life, etc. And they made the buyout 'optional', knowing they'd railroad the holdouts, which they did. They'd tear down every house and the road leading to your house as they went, until the holdouts gave in.

All of a sudden my neighborhood is gone. And that awful, noisy, unsafe to live in place...is full of workers in cheap steel warehouses. I guess it's more safe for them.

Many people may not realize, but UPS and Ford absolutely own Louisville. If either says jump, the city government will ask how high?

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Post by hshdhdhehd »

jacquesm wrote: post #273
pixl97 wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I don't think I've heard of a bird strike knocking the engine off a plane.

Oh, interesting. They even made a movie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Airways_Flight_1549 Once an engine breaks the question is whether or not it becomes unbalanced, that is one reason why they can become detached from the plane.

Unexpected way to increase air safety:

> In an effort to prevent similar accidents, officials captured and exterminated 1,235 Canada geese at 17 locations across New York City in mid-2009 and coated 1,739 goose eggs with oil to smother the developing goslings.[71] As of 2017, 70,000 birds had been intentionally killed in New York City through programs instituted after the ditching.[72]

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