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Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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A better analogy would be: would you use Nazi technology? There were roughly 8.5 million Nazis.

do you use israeli technology ? or medicine ?

I avoid it whenever possible, especially when we're talking about VPNs of all things. It's funny that you mention medicine because we all use Nazi technology and medical advancements too. Having zero ethical boundaries does indeed mean you can make technological progress.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Is it really that shocking that someone on HN would have worked at as many as 2 private companies?

Nor is it shocking that a company with a PR issue would be astroturfing our forum. The point is: we don't know.

The summary is: if you use someone’s VPN, Tor, etc. you’re just setting yourself up. There is no privacy, and if you act like you want privacy, they’re going to pay more attention to you.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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But why would tesonet spend resources to help a competitor to start? I'd be surprised if there wasn't at least an equity deal.

> But why would tesonet spend resources to help a competitor to start? I thought tesonet is venture / seed fund?

Then the question becomes why would they help a company that competes with their portfolio companies. And even stronger case that they got some shares in return.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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post #419

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do you use israeli technology ? or medicine ?

I avoid it whenever possible, especially when we're talking about VPNs of all things. It's funny that you mention medicine because we all use Nazi technology and medical advancements too. Having zero ethical boundaries does indeed mean you can make technological progress.

did you switch to state of art chinese products in order to avoid using israeli tech ? or you just avoid things that you don't use anyway

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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A better analogy would be: would you use Nazi technology? There were roughly 8.5 million Nazis.

No, a better analogy would be Germany. You can't count the entirety of Israel on one hand and ~10% of 1940s Germany on the other.

But that's beside the point and still doesn't match what you said, as you considered any company with an Israeli employee to be compromised, essentially.

Do you consider companies with Chinese employees just as "compromised"? We've known of Chinese state surveillance for decades.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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Australian ISPs are legally required to retain metadata for two years. That's one of the best reasons to use a VPN if you're in Australia. Give up as little as possible. I have found, however, lots of sites block or Captcha-restrict IP addresses that are (somehow determined as) non-residential, and Netflix restricts its content as well.

Won't TOR browser block metadata collection?

Probably, yes. TOR can be problematic for other reasons, primarily that it can be significantly slower than 'clear' internet or VPN-internet.

It's all a game of who do you trust most / least versus convenience in the end.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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https://embed.kumu.io/9ced55e897e74fd807be51990b26b415#map-J... Mulvad connected to malwarebytes ups I thought mullvad was clean

seems like malwarebytes uses mullvad for its vpn service.

Yes and they’re very transparent about it.

https://mullvad.net/en/help/partnerships-and-resellers

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> it would not have been possible to source local candidates, handle HR and payroll, understand local regulations, etc, without outside assistance I have no dog in this fight, but I agree with the "smear campaign" that this is 100% bullshit. I work for a fully remote company with employees from all over the world, including Eastern Europe, and we didn't need to partner with any local company, let alone a competitor.…

> I work for a fully remote company with employees from all over the world, including Eastern Europe, and we didn't need to partner with any local company Because your company already has considerable experience in working remotely in another territory, of course they didn't need any help. Or potentially, they were already contracting a firm for local bureaucratic matters. > Plus it was never mentioned what these "lo…

> Because your company already has considerable experience in working remotely in another territory, of course they didn't need any help.

What are you talking about, my company was fully remote with global employees from day one. And no, our CEO/CFO haven’t founded or worked for another fully remote company before that. This is not a radical concept at all, especially not here on HN.

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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"Links to" is doing a lot of work in that sentence. ProtonVPN is owned by Proton, which has no legal ownership ties with Tesonet. During Proton's expansion into Eastern Europe, Tesonet initially assisted Proton with HR, payroll, and local regulation, so for a period of time, people working for Proton were employed by Tesonet, since Proton had no local subsidiary that could hire them. These were not "shared employees"…

> "Links to" is doing a lot of work in that sentence. How? it is obvious. > During Proton's expansion into Eastern Europe, Tesonet initially assisted Proton with HR, payroll, and local regulation, so for a period of time, people working for Proton were employed by Tesonet, since Proton had no local subsidiary that could hire them. These were not "shared employees", they worked exclusively for Proton. So basically sam…

> How much is Tesonet or Proton paying you to post in here?

Sadly, they're not paying me anything, but I would suggest that any belief system in which information contradictory to your belief reinforces your belief is inherently problematic.

So how much is Nord paying you to post here?

Re: Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

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> But why would tesonet spend resources to help a competitor to start? I thought tesonet is venture / seed fund?

Then the question becomes why would they help a company that competes with their portfolio companies. And even stronger case that they got some shares in return.

One reason is that helping contributors that you know will survive (as proton was already well known) grows the market. Basically give the competitor of piece of the cake because they will enlarge the cake for everyone.
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