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Post by ascagnel_ »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #375
ascagnel_ wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the big reasons I've gravitated towards a reverse-chronological feed that takes you from the past to the present -- at some point you hit a natural end, which is a natural prompt to go do something else. I've picked up Reeder[0] as a feed reader, since it can aggregate a bunch of sources (chiefly RSS, but also Mastodon, BlueSky, reddit, etc) and presents it in such a timeline without pressure to read e…

I am seeing this app mentioned after years. When did this one move to subscription model - it was a one time paid app? Found it - it's also available as Reeder Classic on mac app store. Anyway, there's this https://netnewswire.com - https://github.com/Ranchero-Software/NetNewsWire (mac native) if someone is looking for an open source alt.

The one-time payment app and NetNewsWire (both excellent RSS readers themselves!) take a different approach than the subscription-only version of Reeder: they treat RSS more like email (with an emphasis on reading everything, or at least marking it as read).

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Post by panarchy »

Pretty nice so far. I enjoy the very visible categories (as in the "astronomy" label in the Science category, not the science, technology, etc ones) that make it easy to see if an article is relevant to my interests at a glance.

A save feature to keep track of interesting articles would be nice.

Having more news (or more filtered for quality) would also be nice. Right now at 12 the lists seem to be mostly taken up by trendy low-quality news that will be irrelevant and less news that doesn't make waves but will probably have more impact in the long run. Actually this might just be a lack of the number of places being scraped. Not an actual example from the site but consider how much an article of someone saying the latest comet is actually alien technology trends (but is completely irrelevant) vs a scientific paper reporting on the measurements of the atmospheric composition of a bunch of exoplanets.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by BOOSTERHIDROGEN »

alexsmirnov wrote: post #360
BOOSTERHIDROGEN wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mind sharing that feeds and 200 line code? Thank you

I prefer to not. LLM prompts and feeds selection clearly expose my political preferences, interests, and location. And this is research project for more serious task. For 200 lines of code, there are 1000+ for evaluation, automatic prompt optimization. But idea is simple, so there should be no problem to implement it

No worries here.

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Post by raxxorraxor »

__jonas wrote: post #23

Just to be clear I'm understanding correctly: This is pulling the content of the RSS feeds of several news sites into the context window of an LLM and then asking it to summarize news items into articles and fill in the blanks? I'm asking because that is what it looks like, but AI / LLMs are not specifically mentioned in this blog post, they just say news are 'generated' under the 'News in your language' heading, whi…

I guess they embed the news of the day and let it summarize it. You can add metadata to the training set, which you should technically query reliably. You don't have to let the model do the summarization of the source, which can be erroneous.

Far more interesting is how they aggregate the data. I thought many sources moved behind paywalls already.

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Post by freediver »

bluGill wrote: post #344

Not the news I need. I need local news. I care about my local mayer race. I care what my school board does. I care about the local art studio events. unless you are my neighbor you don't care about my community (you have your own). If you live in big city beware that your newspaper probably is lacking your neighborhood coverage which is what you need.

Add those to list of sources Kagi News uses and create a new category and it will show up even if you are the only user of it.

https://github.com/kagisearch/kite-public

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Post by freediver »

luxurytent wrote: post #204
hughes wrote: post #183

I don't understand how this is 100% free, no subscriptions, no purchase, apparently no ads or tracking and yet I'm also the "customer" and not the product. What's the catch?

It seems fairly low effort (from a cost perspective) to deploy and maintain this feature, so I think it's a great way to get the Kagi name out there, which may perhaps lead to a few new users! Sort of like a loss leader, eg the Costco hot dog :-)

Correct and down the road I can see a premium version of this being a thing.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by boxed »

lyu07282 wrote: post #412
boxed wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's just media literacy I think The word "just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Systems can change. Human brains on a population/genetic level can't. Blaming individual humans when we know statistically what they will do is mathematically equivalent to giving up. Also, giving someone information that turns out to be false and never following up isn't "media literacy". I can't see how it can possibly be.

Absolutely, this is just what came to my mind when reading your suggestions. I meant media literacy teaches a lot of methodology that would naturally lead to your suggestions, that's all. > Systems can change. Human brains on a population/genetic level can't. Realistically we can't fix media literacy education and we can't fix journalism, both are systemically broken. But I would never blame people, everyone is the p…

> Realistically we can't fix media literacy education and we can't fix journalism, both are systemically broken. But I would never blame people, everyone is the product of their environment and a victim of the system.

I think it's a lot more reasonable to expect change journalism. Or maybe not journalism per se, but information dissemination/world model updates. News/journalism is just the form we've sort of settled on for that kind of job, but it's fundamentally the wrong thing. It's like asking for a faster horse when we want a car. Or asking for email notifications when we really want is a way to know the current status of something.

> Media literacy in that context would just refer to reliable sourcing, reliable sources post retractions/corrections.

I think the reach of those corrections is as much a problem as if they are published. Posting retractions to a printer that is directly hooked up to a shredder is technically "posting retractions", but practically it's not. Same as most news sources really. The retractions are functionally buried for almost all sources, including the most prestigious source Nature.

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Post by freediver »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #358

Kagi, please, please, please don't fall into the Mozilla trap and waste your time creating a whole bunch of useless side projects that never succeed, to the detriment of the one thing that we all need you to do. You have a great search service. Please focus on that. Build that into an actual Google-beater. Provide the features your customers actually want. Spend your time, money, and energy making that the greatest s…

Unlike Mozilla's browser, I'd like to believe that our search engine is getting better with each update?

Mozilla fell into this trap as its business model was fundamentally broken (majority revenue coming from biggest compatitor). Our business model is healthy and the more apps we have in the ecosystem the stronger the ecosystem gets.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by freediver »

aryonoco wrote: post #356

As a Kagi Ultimate subscriber with a Family Plan and a separate subscription for Orion+, I've got to say, I don't see the point of this. RSS works great and there are a million ways to consume them. There are also a myriad New aggregator offerings, most with some sort of LLM thrown in on top. Did we really need this? Was there nothing better Kagi could dedicate its resources to?

Thank you for your support. What I will say will sound a bit selfish - but I needed this and it happened. More details in my relationship with news in the first two articles linked at https://kite.kagi.com/about

To be fair this is exactly how Kagi Search happened too - many people didn't see a point in a paid search engine in 2018 too, but I and my family needed one and it happened.

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