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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by johncolanduoni »

encrypted_bird wrote: post #366
johncolanduoni wrote: post #320

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I’ve never understood the evil MITM endgame here. Cloudflare’s ToS and contracts prevent them from doing nastiness with your data without breach, and approximately all their revenue comes from large enterprises that will leave in droves (and some will actually sue them) if they started exploiting it. The thing where they let DDoSers use them to protect their public sites from rival DDoSers is sketchy as hell, but doe…

> Cloudflare's ToS and contracts prevent them from doing nastiness with your data without breach ... Contracts can be and regularly are changed. Ebay, PayPal, Etsy, Google, Microsoft, ad nauseum all have done this many times. Contract-based protections mean very little if those clauses are non-perpetual and revokable.

Sure, they could try adding “your data is our data” on the renewal of a few million dollar enterprise contract and see how that goes - probably a redline with a nasty Zoom call attached. They could rug-pull this on free and small business users to a degree, but I don’t even see how it would be worth it. It’s such a small proportion of their traffic, and the fact that this is even a thing on their platform would scare away regulated customers for sure.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by tonyhart7 »

Aeolun wrote: post #419
r00f wrote: post #203

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It is not Cloudflare's fault. It means the website operators were so fed up with bots and bad actors that they just applied a carpet ban and called it a day. Thanks to Cloudflare I was able to reduce my website load threefold and downscale my VMs and my monthly cloud bill, and seeing how 50k daily requests were shown CAPTCHA and not even tried to solve it makes me terrified of running anything without Cloudflare. Don…

> It means the website operators were so fed up with bots and bad actors that they just applied a carpet ban and called it a day. Many of my websites get 98% of their traffic from bots and bad actors, but it doesn’t really matter because the extra load of all these fake requests is absolutely negligible. I have a hard time understanding how someone would be bothered by an extra 50k requests a day. That’s less than a…

I mean if I have 1 service sure but I have 20+ different one

if someone can foot the bill then I happily let them use it for free but its coming from own pocket

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by tonyhart7 »

nulbyte wrote: post #361
bkettle wrote: post #273

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I actually think that Cloudflare has made publishing on the internet _more_ accessible for many individuals. I’ve helped a few people get personal websites running on Cloudflare pages and run my own there—it’s free and extremely easy. They could obviously pull the plug at any point, but with static sites it’s easy to avoid lock-in. If it weren’t for Cloudflare and other services that give free, easy hosting, I suspec…

There have been places that host personal and hobby websites for free for at least the last 30 years. Some older ones have left, and newer ones keep coming along. Cloudflare didn't make this any more accessible.

but most of them are dogshit tho

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by qmr »

stingraycharles wrote: post #68
mosura wrote: post #4

Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!

To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.

Ah yes I love when half the internet falls over because everyone is mindlessly relying on a black box they have no control or understanding of.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by qmr »

godelski wrote: post #387
chipgap98 wrote: post #257

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How is this not a problem with the law rather than a problem with Cloudflare?

Also, remember that time that Cloudflare didn't take down a Nazi website because they didn't want to be arbiters of the internet but then everyone accused Cloudflare of supporting Neo Nazis. That this led to boycotts so they ended up taking down the site and wrote a blog post being like "fine, but this is dumb" That didn't really have to do with the law. You could segue it was a free market action. Though there were…

Not a fan of XYZ service deciding what you can or can not say / host online.

Freedom of speech is not about protecting speech you find agreeable.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by mschild »

_heimdall wrote: post #400
wahnfrieden wrote: post #395

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Or the time they knowingly employed a Nazi

Are you arguing for a system where employers consider your political views before hiring you? And no this is not an attempt to in anyway belittle what Nazi German did during WWII. Assuming the employee you are referring to has never been engaged in such acts, though, that feels like a very slippery slope.

Part of being a Nazi means the sincere believe that the Aryan race is superior to all others and that eradicating them is a sensible goal.

Thats not a political view. Its one of racism and finding genocide acceptable. I would sincerely hope that any sensible person would refuse to hire someone like this.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by tonyhart7 »

Gud wrote: post #418
stingraycharles wrote: post #68

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To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.

No it wasn’t. The internet peaked in 2005, or whatever year Firefox had the most popularity. It’s only been downhill from there. The internet was a lot better place before American mega corporations took total control. It was mostly neighborhood bulletin boards, fan zines and the occasional shop. Today there is only bots, bots, bots, political lunatics and influencers dumbing down future generations.

"Today there is only bots, bots, bots, political lunatics and influencers dumbing down future generations."

seems like its people problem not the internet problem are you blaming knife too when someone use it to kill people????

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by Biganon »

inetknght wrote: post #236
troyvit wrote: post #234

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Being blocked from a web site and having to hit a little box are two different things. Are you talking about the former or the latter? If it's the former ... that has literally never happened to me unless I'm on a VPN and even then it's rarely (if ever) CF that's doing the blocking. If it's the latter then it reflects the sad truth that we can't have nice things anymoret. I have lots of problems with the accessibilit…

> Being blocked from a web site and having to hit a little box are two different things. Maybe for you. But I don't let random unvetted websites run code on my computer. Checking that box requires it.

May I ask what the risk is with letting websites run JS on your computer?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by 71bw »

godelski wrote: post #387
chipgap98 wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this not a problem with the law rather than a problem with Cloudflare?

Also, remember that time that Cloudflare didn't take down a Nazi website because they didn't want to be arbiters of the internet but then everyone accused Cloudflare of supporting Neo Nazis. That this led to boycotts so they ended up taking down the site and wrote a blog post being like "fine, but this is dumb" That didn't really have to do with the law. You could segue it was a free market action. Though there were…

And yet then instantly threw a hissy fit when a certain trans individual started their crusade against the Kiwi Farms.
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