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And the X Elite 2 with 18 cores will likely be announced today :D - https://www.qualcomm.com/company/events/snapdragon-summit
The complaint about power usage in suspend is especially sad because it’s pretty much a common problem for Linux on laptops. Not sure if that’s what applies here, but the numbers about match what I see with my Framework. Basically: if you want to use secure boot you usually also want kernel lockdown mode, and you cannot hibernate a lockdowned kernel. At least not without out-of-tree patches. IMHO that’s a giant issue…
Why do you need hibernation? Apple gets the ultra low power without suspending to disk?
People need to switch to Snapdragon processors. No issues like that with Snapdragon processors, the X Elite chips is about as good as an M2 or M3 And the X Elite 2 with 18 cores will likely be announced today :D - https://www.qualcomm.com/company/events/snapdragon-summit
The complaint about power usage in suspend is especially sad because it’s pretty much a common problem for Linux on laptops. Not sure if that’s what applies here, but the numbers about match what I see with my Framework. Basically: if you want to use secure boot you usually also want kernel lockdown mode, and you cannot hibernate a lockdowned kernel. At least not without out-of-tree patches. IMHO that’s a giant issue…
> If you can’t hibernate (aka suspend to disk) you will never be able to get that power consumption low Does Mac hibernate? Because if it does, the wake up is literally under 100ms, it's just imperceptible. You open the lid and it's already awake.
Not by default. If you just shut the lid on your macbook and put it in your backpack for 2 days, it does not hibernate.
Which is why waking is instant.
People need to switch to Snapdragon processors. No issues like that with Snapdragon processors, the X Elite chips is about as good as an M2 or M3 And the X Elite 2 with 18 cores will likely be announced today :D - https://www.qualcomm.com/company/events/snapdragon-summit
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Shouldn't that mean that the relatively open platforms like Framework should work better, since they lack the incentive to defy the user/owner like the locked-down platforms do? What would prevent Framework or anything similar from implementing the other sleep states?
Framework doesn't produce it's own CPUs. It buys them directly from Intel. Producing your own CPU is really difficult, if you want it to be competitive with other state-of-the-art CPUs.
For example, for my home lab, I bought a used Intel 12th gen industrial PC from a specialized Taiwanese embedded systems company, whose BIOS allows very granular control of all sleep states plus individual power control of most peripherals, probably because that's a must-have for customers in that space over stuff like benchmark scores and bang for the buck.
So technically, IT IS possible to do, just probably not very cost effective for consumer devices.
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That's just plainly not true. Apple calls it "Safe Sleep" ( https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/mac-help/mh10328/mac ) and you get a progress bar when it wakes from it. Yes, even on magical Ms.
Interesting, never heard of that specific mode before. Does it save the entire RAM or just the OS state and open files?
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On a Mac, you can switch between apps with Command-Tab or windows of the same app with Command-` but there's no way to cycle between all windows or bounce between to two most recently used windows. Maybe this used to make sense when apps were single purpose but I do basically everything in a web browser or a terminal so not being able to bounce between the previously selected window(of whatever kind), as I can with A…
> I do basically everything in a web browser Then you are deliberately handicapping yourself, this isn't something you can blame on the OS. It's like complaining that a car has bad fuel economy because you always stay in first gear. As for the displays, you are comparing apples to oranges. You can get a high DPI monitor which is smaller than 32 inches for cheap. Which is plenty of screen for the distances where DPI d…
But other than that? Most macOS apps are now inferior to browser-based analogs. Calendar, contacts, email, iMessage, Music, TV - they all just suck.
The complaint about power usage in suspend is especially sad because it’s pretty much a common problem for Linux on laptops. Not sure if that’s what applies here, but the numbers about match what I see with my Framework. Basically: if you want to use secure boot you usually also want kernel lockdown mode, and you cannot hibernate a lockdowned kernel. At least not without out-of-tree patches. IMHO that’s a giant issue…
> power usage in suspend is especially sad because it’s pretty much a common problem for Linux on laptops I don't know what you're talking about, is this an apple Silcon marketing ploy? my linux laptops lose less battery in suspend than my macbooks do powered down
The M4 is a beast, but I have a different priority for a device I want to call "my own". I want more control over "my" device, and I don't demand the highest performance or battery life. I grew up on Windows, and for a long time dual-booted with various Linuxes, and eventually used WSL on the regular. But now with my Framework I'm running Fedora, so for the first time in my life I don't have to deal with Windows at all.
It helps, I suppose, that I'm one of those weird types who likes to actually shut down their computer when they're not using it, instead of just closing the lid. I like a fresh start each time I open it up.