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What the heck? And why is everyone even discussing this? What kind of nightmare.
some social media grifters are boasting this amount of work -- mostly young ai startup founders. the trouble is, for the amount of work these people claim they are doing, i'm not seeing actual things being shipped.
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Yeah, sure, helicopters is all you need to catch millions of sophisticated tax evaders using semi-legal loopholes developed and implemented by professional accountants and lawyers. Read about Laffer Curve for a start.
> Read about Laffer Curve Your comment lost all credibility right here
996 is just theater for investors. Saw this happening even at YC companies. There was always that stupid expectation of overworking, staying until 9. The reality is that people twiddle thumbs. And the disorganization and micromanagement power plays are enough to negate any additional worked hour. This ranges from pure disorganization in terms of what to build to having 3 hour meetings with the whole fucking company w…
I have no idea what we would do if we had to work 12 hour days. There literally isn't enough work to do. Probably just shoot more shit.
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> 996 is just theater for investors. Investors who have not heard of the research into productivity that says long hours have no significant benefit for skilled work? Who have not heard of diminishing returns? Who have no experience of the reality of working long hours themselves?
It's easy to believe that on average longer hours may not have much marginal improvement to productivity but that for you specifically they do. And being able to convince yourself that your team is special , not just average, is an ability that is more often found in people taking big crazy swings. Especially if you have a history of working overtime in crunch time in your own career in the past and believe that you…
Once in a while, they're right. Most of the time, by the definition of the law of averages, most of them are not.
Maybe I just have no ambition to become the next trillionaire because I'm lazy or whatever, but I am under no illusion that me or my team are exceptional. We're good. We get stuff done. We make money. Investors like us. Our customers like us. Our business partners like us. And many people here on HN are likely in a similar boat. Many without working 996.
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>> people claiming this is "bad There is no circumstances when it is good. Especially if it is pushed by employer/manager. If you want to work 996 or 7 days per week, or without annual vacations - it's your choice but no way anyone should be pushed to work that way.
Vacation and choice is a luxury the majority of the world does not have, you are making his point. The mentality they are saying is the mentality that has given you the luxury of vacation and choice. The west did not rise to its place without an incredible amount of suffering.
I'm not taking about trip to Maldives for a vacation. Just a paid rest from work.
Yea I don't think I've ever pulled an all-nighter that was "worth it" outside of school. School is temporary and you're probably only pulling all-nighters your last year.
But work is different. You are working for the majority of your life. If you set your standard of life to prioritize work over your mental AND physical health, you're not going to make it past retirement (if you haven't already burnt out).
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I actually kind of like when companies are upfront about 996 expectations. The transparency makes it that much easier to avoid them.
The more upfront they are, the more normalized it gets which encourages other companies to do the same.
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> 996 is just theater for investors. Investors who have not heard of the research into productivity that says long hours have no significant benefit for skilled work? Who have not heard of diminishing returns? Who have no experience of the reality of working long hours themselves?
>Who have no experience of the reality of working long hours themselves? The majority of rich people do not work for their money. They inherit or "soft inherit" the money. They do investment stuff because it makes them feel big and powerful and important. You can tell by their speech patterns. Meet some rich people in real life and pay attention to just how slow their patterns of speech and movement are on average. M…
I don't know how true it is, as I am not about to take this grifters sales pitch at face value, but given that the grifter exhibited a lot of traits that I see in some of these rich investor people, I suspect that some investors actually use other people's money to invest, in some way that my plebe mind just cannot fathom.
When founders put 996 in their job descriptions or Tweet about their 996 culture it’s a helpful signal to avoid that company. The only time I’d actually consider crazy schedules was if I was the founder with a huge equity stake and a once in a lifetime opportunity that would benefit from a short period of 996. For average employees? Absolutely not. If someone wants extraordinary hours they need to be providing extrao…
>If someone wants extraordinary hours they need to be providing extraordinary compensation. That's a naive approach. If you're in a place where people are fanatically devoted to the mission, it's a benefit in it of itself. First you'll learn a lot. Residency is often grueling in terms of hours. The payout is much later as you learn more. Also you're surrounded by very smart hard working people. Every high achiever I…
I've always told my team: focus on being super productive in the 40 hours a week you are working. Then go home and do something that really matters. My belief has been very few lay on their death bed wishing they had given more to their jobs. But many lay there regretting they didn't invest more in their families. I also believe that 40 truly focused hours is more productive than many people who do 50+ hour weeks jus…
But 72 hour weeks for a shitty AI wrapper for the same salary that someone working 40h weeks? Pass.