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Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors

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Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors

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Post by rendaw »

GodelNumbering wrote: post #58

Settlement Terms (from the case pdf) 1. A Settlement Fund of at least $1.5 Billion: Anthropic has agreed to pay a minimum of $1.5 billion into a non-reversionary fund for the class members. With an estimated 500,000 copyrighted works in the class, this would amount to an approximate gross payment of $3,000 per work. If the final list of works exceeds 500,000, Anthropic will add $3,000 for each additional work. 2. Des…

So they can also keep models trained on the datasets? That seems pretty big too, unless the half life of models is so low it doesn't matter.

Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors

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Post by eviks »

> the law allowed the company to train A.I. technologies using the books because this transformed them into something new.

Unless, of course, the transformation malfunctioned and you got the good old verbatim source, with many of examples compiled in similar lawsuits

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Post by ab5tract »

tnel77 wrote: post #404
33MHz-i486 wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i dont know that its such a great thing in the end. Uber/Lyft is 50-100% more expensive now than taxis were before. Theyre entrenched in different ways.

How much of this is inflation?

Gas is priced lower when counting for inflation, isn’t it?

Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors

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Post by eviks »

gooosle wrote: post #77
GodelNumbering wrote: post #58

Settlement Terms (from the case pdf) 1. A Settlement Fund of at least $1.5 Billion: Anthropic has agreed to pay a minimum of $1.5 billion into a non-reversionary fund for the class members. With an estimated 500,000 copyrighted works in the class, this would amount to an approximate gross payment of $3,000 per work. If the final list of works exceeds 500,000, Anthropic will add $3,000 for each additional work. 2. Des…

So... it would be a lot cheaper to just buy all of the books?

That might be practically impossible given the number of rights holders worldwide

Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors

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Post by simoncion »

zer00eyz wrote: post #73
aeon_ai wrote: post #8

To be very clear on this point - this is not related to model training. It’s important in the fair use assessment to understand that the training itself is fair use, but the pirating of the books is the issue at hand here, and is what Anthropic “whoopsied” into in acquiring the training data. Buying used copies of books, scanning them, and training on it is fine. Rainbows End was prescient in many ways.

> It’s important in the fair use assessment to understand that the training itself is fair use, I think that this is a distinction many people miss. If you take all the works of Shakespeare, and reduce it to tokens and vectors is it Shakespeare or is it factual information about Shakespeare? It is the latter, and as much as organizations like the MLB might want to be able to copyright a fact you simply cannot do that…

> If you take all the works of Shakespeare, and reduce it to tokens and vectors is it Shakespeare or is it factual information about Shakespeare?

To rephrase the question:

Is a PDF of the complete works of Shakespeare Shakespeare, or is it factual information about Shakespeare?

Reencoding human-readable information into a form that's difficult for humans to read without machine assistance is nothing new.

Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors

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Post by mongol »

aeon_ai wrote: post #8

To be very clear on this point - this is not related to model training. It’s important in the fair use assessment to understand that the training itself is fair use, but the pirating of the books is the issue at hand here, and is what Anthropic “whoopsied” into in acquiring the training data. Buying used copies of books, scanning them, and training on it is fine. Rainbows End was prescient in many ways.

> It’s important in the fair use assessment to understand that the training itself is fair use

Is this completely settled legally? It is not obvious to me it would be so

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Post by jack_pp »

33MHz-i486 wrote: post #400
jimmaswell wrote: post #381

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> It was faster to just put unlicensed taxis on the streets and use investor money to pay fines and lobby for favorable legislation And thank god they did. There was no perfectly legal channel to fix the taxi cartel. Now you don't even have to use Uber in many of these places because taxis had to compete - they otherwise never would have stopped pulling the "credit card reader is broken" scam, taking long routes on p…

i dont know that its such a great thing in the end. Uber/Lyft is 50-100% more expensive now than taxis were before. Theyre entrenched in different ways.

Idk how it is in the US but in eastern Europe that's only true if surge is on and even so considering how shitty the quality of service was before Uber it's fine.

Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors

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Post by safety1st »

Spooky23 wrote: post #390
safety1st wrote: post #382

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Nevertheless, a crime is a crime. I'm so over this shift in America's business model. Original Silicon Valley model, and generally the engine of American innovation/growth/wealth equality for 200 years: Come up with a cool technology, build it in your garage, get people to fund it and sell it because it's a better mousetrap. New model: Still come up with a cool idea, still get it funded and sold, but the idea involve…

I agree with you, except that you’re too positive. The United States is already a banana republic. The federal courts are a joke - the supreme court now has at least one justice whose craven corruption is notorious — openly accepting material value (ie bribes) from various parties. The district courts are being stuffed with Trump appointees with the obvious problems that go with that. The congress is supine. Obviousl…

It's bad but I think it's important to recognize how much worse it can get. Otherwise why would you work to save anything? I'm "positive" because I come from the US and I now live in an actual banana republic and I see firsthand how much worse things will get in America if the trajectory doesn't change.

Imagine a future where election results are casually and publicly nullified if the people with the guns don't like the result, and no one can do anything about it. Or where you can start a business but if it succeeds and you don't have the right family name it'll be taken from you and you'll be stripped of all you own and possibly put in prison for a while. That's reality in some countries, the US is not there yet, but those are the stakes we're playing for here, and why change needs to happen.

Re: Anthropic agrees to pay $1.5B to settle lawsuit with book authors

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Post by hypercube33 »

koolala wrote: post #377
privatelypublic wrote: post #64

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Don't forget: NO LEGAL PRECEDENT! which means, anybody suing has to start all over. You only settle in this scenario/point if you think you'll lose. Edit: I'll get ratio'd for this- but its the exact same thing google did in it's lawsuit with Epic. They delayed while the public and courts focused in apple (oohh, EVIL apple)- apple lost, and google settled at a disadvantage before they had a legal judgment that couldn…

Wont Facebook just get sued for the same thing now and maybe set precedent?

I thought meta had been sued and forgiven as it was impulsive that they do it to make money and faced no charge.
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