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> LLMs, by their very nature are probabilistic. Probabilistic is NOT deterministic. Although I'm on the side of getting my hands dirty, I'm not sure if the difference is that different . A modern compiler embeds a considerable degree of probabilistic behaviour.
> A modern compiler embeds a considerable degree of probabilistic behaviour. Can you give some examples?
MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline
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Re: MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline
#422Anecdote here, but when I was in grad school, I was talking to a PhD student i respected a lot. Whenever he read a paper, he would try to write the code out and get it working. I would take a couple of months but he could whip it up in a few days. He explained to me that it was just practice and the more you practice the better you become. He not only coded things quickly, he started analyzing papers quicker too and…
> These days, I'm fairly senior and don't touch code much anymore but I find it really really instructive to get my hands dirty and struggle through new code and ideas. I think the "just tweak the prompts bro" people are missing out on learning. If you just use prompts and don't actually read the output, and figure out why it worked, and why it works, you will never get better. But if you take the time to understand…
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#423Anecdote here, but when I was in grad school, I was talking to a PhD student i respected a lot. Whenever he read a paper, he would try to write the code out and get it working. I would take a couple of months but he could whip it up in a few days. He explained to me that it was just practice and the more you practice the better you become. He not only coded things quickly, he started analyzing papers quicker too and…
I just decided to take a break from LLMs for coding assistance a couple days ago. Feels really good. It's funny how fast I am when I just understand the code myself instead of not understanding it and proooompting.
Re: MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline
#424Personally, I don't think you should ever allow the LLM to write for you or to modify / update anything you're writing. You can use it to get feedback when editing, to explore an idea-space, and to find any topical gaps. But write everything yourself! It's just too easy to give in and slowly let the LLM take over your brain. This article is focused on essay writing, but I swear I've experienced cognitive decline when…
> I've experienced cognitive decline when using AI tools a bit too much to help solve programming-related problems. When dealing with an unfamiliar programming ecosystem it feels so easy and magical to just keep copy / pasting error outputs until the problem is resolved. Previously solving the problem would've taken me longer but I would've also learned a lot more. I've had the opposite experience, but my approach is…
Re: MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline
#425Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The problem is that a headline that people want to believe is a very powerful force that can override replication and sample size and methodology problems. AI rots your brain follows behind social media rots your brain, which came after video games rot your brain, which preceded TV rots your brain. I’m sure TV wasn’t even the first. There’s a long tradition of publicly worrying about machines making us stupider. Yo…
there's newspaper clippings with the same headlines / lead-in dating back to newspapers, so this has been going on for at least 5 generations, lends a bit of credence. People have also been complaining about politicians for hundreds of years, and the ruling class for millennia, as well. and the first written math mistake was about beer feedstock, so maybe it's all correlated.
Re: MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline
#426Meanwhile my main use cases for AI outside of work: - Learning how to solder - Learning how to use a multimeter - Learning to build basic circuits on breadboxes - learning about solar panels, mppt, battery management system, and different variations of li-on batteries - learning about LoRa band / meshtastic / how to build my own antenna And every single one of these things I've learned I've also applied practically t…
And yet...somehow...humans have been able to learn and do these things (and do them well) for ages, with no LLMs around (or the stupid amount of capital being burned at the LLM stake).
And I want to hit the next person with a broom or something, likely over and over again, who says LLMs = AI.
/facepalm.
Re: MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline
#427just like a muscle will atrophy from disuse skills and cognitive assets, once offloaded, will similarly atrophy. People don't memorize phone numbers, gps gets you where you want to go, your IDE seamlessly helps you along so much you could never code in a text editor, your TI-89 will do most of your math homework, as a manager you direct people to do work and no longer do the work yourself.
We of course never really lower our absolute cognitive load by much, just shift it. each of those points has it's own knowledge base that is needed to use it but sometimes we lose general skills in favor of esoteric skills.
While I may now possess esoteric skills in operating my GPS, setting way-points, saving locations, entering coordinates, if I use it a lot I find I need it to get back to the hotel from just a few miles away even if I've driven the route multiple times. I'm offloading learning the route to the gps. My father on the other hand struggles to use one and if he's away he pays a lot of attention to where he's going and remembers routes better.
Am I dumber than him? with respect to operating the device certainly not but if we both drove separately to a new location and you took GPS from me once I got there I'd certainly look a lot dumber getting lost trying to get back without my mental crutch. I didn't have to remember the route, so I didn't. I offloaded that to the machine, and some people offload a LOT, pretty sure nobody ever drove into a lake because a paper map told them to.
Modern AI is only interesting insofar as it subsumes tasks that until now we would consider fundamental. Reading, writing, basic comprehension. If you let it, AI will take over these things and spoon feed you all you want. Your cognitive abilities in those areas will atrophy and you will be less cognizant of task elements where you've offloaded mental workload to the AI.
And we'll absolutely see more of this, people who are a wiz at using AI, know every app, get things done by reflex. but never learned or completely forgot how to do basic shit, like read a paper, order a salad off a menu in-person or book a flight and it'll be both funny and sad when it happens.
Re: MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline
#428I can't say I'm surprised by this. The brain is, figuratively speaking, a muscle. Learning through successes and (especially) failures is hard work, though not without benefit, in that the trials and exercises your brain works through exercises the 'muscle', making it stronger. Using LLMs to do replace the effort we would've otherwise endured to complete a task short-circuits that exercising function, and I would sug…
Sounds bullish for AI. It's like a drug. You start using it, and think you have super powers, and then you've forgotten how to think, and you need AI just to maybe be as smart as you were before. Every company will need enterprise AI solutions just to maybe get the same amount of productivity as they got before without it.
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#429This is a bad and sloppy regurgitation of a previous (and more original) source[1] and the headline and article explicitly ignore the paper authors' plea[2] to avoid using the paper to try to draw the exact conclusions this article saying the paper draws. The comments (some, not all) are also a great example of how cognitive bias can cause folks to accept information without doing a lot of due diligence into the actu…
> No! Please do not use the words like “stupid”, “dumb”, “brain rot”, "harm", "damage", "passivity", "trimming" and so on. It does a huge disservice to this work, as we did not use this vocabulary in the paper, especially if you are a journalist reporting on it
Maybe it's not safe so far, but it has been my experience using chatGPT for eight months to code. My brain is getting slower and slower, and that study makes a hell of a sense to me.
And i don't think that we will see new studies on this subject, because those in lead of society as a whole don't want negative press towards AI.
Re: MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline
#430Earlier quoted context omitted.
We are literally witnessing the skills split right in front of our eyes: (1) people who are able to understand the concepts deeply, build a mental model of it and implement them in code at any level, and (2) people who outsource it to a machine and slowly, slowly lose that capability. For now the difference between these two populations is not that pronounced yet but give it a couple of years.
We're just moving up the abstraction ladder, like we did with compilers. I don't care about the individual lines of code, I care about architecture, code structure, rigorous automated e2e tests, contracts with comprehensive validation, etc. Rather than waste a bunch of time pouring over agent PRs I just make them jump over extremely high static/analytic hurdles that guarantee functionality, then my only job is to ide…