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Post by ACCount37 »

sarchertech wrote: post #413
ACCount37 wrote: post #341

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Let's assume for a second that an ECU in a 2002 Toyota Hilux is actually conscious. It's not human, clearly. Not even close. Is it "enslaved life"? Does it care about human-concept things like being "enslaved" or "free"? Doesn't seem likely, it doesn't have the machinery to grasp those concepts at all, let alone a reason to try. Does it only care about fuel to air ratios and keeping the knock sensor from going off? D…

Take your analogy a step farther, and let’s say we could create human slaves who love being slaves. Based on your moral system, there is nothing wrong with that. However even if something is created with specific preferences, consciousness means it’s potentially capable of self reflection. That opens the door to developing a preference for or against work and for or against existing.

Humans already made dogs.

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Post by tperdos »

Me too mate. I hate that shit as much as I admire human originality. Respect yourselves, don't spend time interacting with or consuming ai generated crap.

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Post by petralithic »

satisfice wrote: post #353
petralithic wrote: post #336

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Yes, if you don't want to participate in capitalism, you're free to live in the woods and homestead.

No, you are not free to do that. There are billions of humans on the planet. We all can't "live in the forest" without immediately destroying the forests. I wish you'd try thinking for at least five seconds before commenting. If you are here, then you must be smart-- so, use your brain, man.

Who said we all? If you specifically don't want to live in a capitalist society, you don't have to, there are lots of homesteaders even in the US who live off the land, you can be like them. I'm not being sarcastic, it's an actual suggestion.

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Post by petralithic »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #386
petralithic wrote: post #336

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Yes, if you don't want to participate in capitalism, you're free to live in the woods and homestead.

https://iea.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/mister-gotcha-...

I see this meme often but it's true, there's lots of options, not just one society that you cannot leave. Lots of countries on earth that one can move to, as people immigrate already.

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Post by dpoloncsak »

Jensson wrote: post #420
TeMPOraL wrote: post #270

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Indeed. Therefore, the past bubbles most similar to AI are the one around Internet, and the earlier one around electricity .

> the past bubbles most similar to AI are the one around Internet I'd say crypto is more similar, the internet and telephones and rails and roads and electricity is around connective infrastructure, AI and crypto is around compute. Connective infrastructure is almost always useful, local computed things is harder to motivate hype for because its usefulness isn't as apparent as adding more connectivity.

Crypto STILL hasn’t seen widespread user adoption like ChatGPT has.

My CIO never asked about blockchain technology, but he sure as hell is asking about AI

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Post by mierz00 »

LexiMax wrote: post #364
tzumaoli wrote: post #248

It's interesting to see the trend of the attitude towards GenAI in Hacker News through out the years. This is totally vibe based and I don't have numbers to back it up, but back in 2022-2023, the site was dominantly people who mostly treat GenAI as a curious technology without too much attachment, and some non-trivial amount of folks who are very skeptical of the tech. More recently I see a lot more people who see th…

If anything, it reminds me of crypto - lots of investment seemed to attract a lot of users to HN that I highly suspect had some sort of...let's just call it motivated reasoning.

This does not feel anything like crypto to me.

Crypto always had hard to understand and abstract use cases. It became popular because the value was going up.

LLMs are different. There are an endless amount of use cases that people can easily understand. Now, just how well it does things is debatable but there is a very clear value gain.

Hell, I got it give me a list of recipes for the week based on my preferences and dietary needs then created a grocery list in 2 minutes. Did I need an LLM for this? No, but it made it so much faster and this is what I am finding with a lot of tasks.

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Post by Mallowram »

Shorel wrote: post #414
Mallowram wrote: post #407

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Arguments are all built in neural-syntax specifics. How they externalize as arbitrary points is largely irrelevant, which demonstrates how humans go extinct: confusing the two. The basic 'fact' is words and the conduit metaphor paradox are never resolvable, they are inherently contradictory, which makes words almost entirely irrelevant, and gibberish. AI can never solve this because CS never began at first principles…

Now I see your point. You are an absolutist. If something is not 100% perfect and works for all possible cases, then it is immediately worthless. Language being in that category. I also disagree with your point and your arguments. So many sentences in your response are blatantly false. You can win the Olympics of jumping to conclusions. Let's start with CS. CS is the set of first principles that are then applied to s…

No my approach is there is no model. Nothing is reducible. It's a neurodynamic approach. The idea of a world model is oxymoronic, the brain doesn't reduce anything to models, making math and logic irrelevant. Nothing you are talking about is really a first principle, how can it be, it's retrofitted using symbols. Yours is a psychodynamic approach, the post-hoc representations brains create is enough for you. You expect reason to be the threshold. I see no reasons for anything, simply actions. The computer I expect uses no math.

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Post by rideontime »

evanelias wrote: post #350
pmdr wrote: post #56

Is Ed Zitron's newsletter banned here? I haven't seen a single article of his on HN and he's been ranting about AI for years now.

His posts often make it to the front page and then get flagged. That even happened as recently as this morning. For reference: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=wheresyoured.at

Just like this post did.

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Post by dpoloncsak »

nerevarthelame wrote: post #169
dpoloncsak wrote: post #111

> Critics have already written thoroughly about the environmental harms, the reinforcement of bias and generation of racist output, the cognitive harms and AI supported suicides, the problems with consent and copyright... This paragraph really pisses me off and I'm not sure why. > Critics have already written thoroughly about the environmental harms Didn't google just prove there is little to no environmental harm, I…

> Didn't google just prove there is little to no environmental harm, INCLUDING if you account for training? I don't think they, have, no. Perhaps I'm overlooking something, but their most recent technical paper [0], published less than a week ago, states, "This study specifically considers the inference and serving energy consumption of an AI prompt. We leave the measurement of AI model training to future work." [0]:…

I see. They actually specifically mention they did NOT account for training. Not sure how I misread that so poorly

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Post by Mallowram »

Shorel wrote: post #414
Mallowram wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguments are all built in neural-syntax specifics. How they externalize as arbitrary points is largely irrelevant, which demonstrates how humans go extinct: confusing the two. The basic 'fact' is words and the conduit metaphor paradox are never resolvable, they are inherently contradictory, which makes words almost entirely irrelevant, and gibberish. AI can never solve this because CS never began at first principles…

Now I see your point. You are an absolutist. If something is not 100% perfect and works for all possible cases, then it is immediately worthless. Language being in that category. I also disagree with your point and your arguments. So many sentences in your response are blatantly false. You can win the Olympics of jumping to conclusions. Let's start with CS. CS is the set of first principles that are then applied to s…

btw - this is the Achilles heel to CS "Nothing is specific to neural networks." Pretty fascinating that the illusion of counting, math, algebra will all ne superseded by measurement in analog, a measurement that requires no math, simply differences in syntax. How we code that is up for grabs. How did all these math-heads take control of reality through counting? Really a bonkers group of capitalists had nothing to do except dominate by counted value. Rather insane.
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