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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by jjani »

bhelkey wrote: post #364
oblique wrote: post #312

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Banning VPNs seems effectively impossible. Any ip address can act as a vpn. There are also zero identity providers like mullvad.

In the UK, ~55% of traffic comes from mobile [1]. The UK could approach Apple and Google and ask them to remove VPNs from their respective app stores when opened in the UK. I imagine this would curtail a large proportion of mobile VPN usage. Blocking desktop VPNs would be a bit more adhoc but it is possible to make it much harder for many people to download VPN clients. [1] https://www.digitalsilk.com/digital-trends/…

Watching sports for cheap using a "dodgy firestick" or similar hardware is incredibly popular in the UK to watch sports for cheap even among those not tech-inclined, despite obviously being illegal. I'd predict the same to happen here, quickly you'll see plug-and-play boxes that will route their home wi-fi traffic through a VPN, and most people will have a mate of a mate who sells them for a few tenners.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by jjani »

GeoAtreides wrote: post #57
sunrunner wrote: post #44

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I’m curious about what the plan is to differentiate between legitimate business use and personal use of any kind. Age verification obviously won’t work for self-hosted, so does age verification then get pushed to VPS providers? And at that point, so what? I’m already paying with legitimate bank details for legitimate personal use.

do you think the public at large knows what VPS are? How to set up a VPN? the public at large barely understands the concept of files nowadays, if it's not app they're lost banning selling VPN and VPN apps will solve 90% of the problem and that's enough

The public at large has no idea what IPTV was or how to set it up. Now Barry down the street is watching his footy through it all weekend cause his mate knows someone selling a box for 20 quid, and Barry does know how to plug in a USB cable.

The public doesn't need to know how it works behind the scenes to use it. It just needs to be packaged in a way so that they don't need to know. Which it will.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by Vespasian »

chii wrote: post #210
speedylight wrote: post #37

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I think eventually we will reach a point where laws like the Online Safety Act become so prevalent that it is basically impossible to comply with all of them simultaneously and still have a unified internet across the globe. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 10 years or so every country has its own version of the internet only intended for their own people.

> still have a unified internet across the globe. which might be the end goal - the internet, with freedom of communication, is a way that the plebs can organize and resist authoritarianism. And as countries are growing increasingly authoritarian (and i include UK here), they may be planning on preventing the old free internet that has enabled so much. So as technologists here at HN, there needs to be a pre-emptive s…

I've said it for years and I'm sticking to it that you can't solve political "problems" (real or otherwise) with technology.

Not for the masses and not sustainabl,

It's always easier to have a paper say "do this" than finding a tech to circumvent it.

Politics is fundamentally people business and involves lots of people who can't or won't understand the details of what is going on but who may still be interested in the end results.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by Vespasian »

net01 wrote: post #6
nickslaughter02 wrote: post #3

> Two days later, US Federal Trade Commission chairman Andrew Ferguson warned big tech firms they could be violating US law if they weakened privacy and data security requirements by complying with international laws such as the Online Safety Act. How will this work with chat control? > "If Ofcom doesn't think this will be enough to prevent significant harm, it can even ask that ISPs be ordered to block UK access." I…

> How will this work with chat control? There is no POC for a chat control E2E-compliant chat app and there will never be. this will just kill EU made software because they will be forced to comply, while US software will use real E2E as marketing.

As others gave said the UK left the EU 10 years ago.

Chat control (which isn't (yet) a thing) would not in fact lead to the outcome you describe.

Any company would be forced to comply or get the boot from EU market. Apple and Google will happily enforce that and that's probably good enough initially.

US Vendors could also decide to create an EU only version of their services.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by jonplackett »

_mlbt wrote: post #252
jonplackett wrote: post #203

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This is part of a wider trend of trying to solve real world problems with the stroke of a pen. It’s not going well.

Just give up a few more rights…for everyone’s safety. Think of the children!

You needed a /s for the very literal people downvoting you.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by chii »

Vespasian wrote: post #423
chii wrote: post #210

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> still have a unified internet across the globe. which might be the end goal - the internet, with freedom of communication, is a way that the plebs can organize and resist authoritarianism. And as countries are growing increasingly authoritarian (and i include UK here), they may be planning on preventing the old free internet that has enabled so much. So as technologists here at HN, there needs to be a pre-emptive s…

I've said it for years and I'm sticking to it that you can't solve political "problems" (real or otherwise) with technology. Not for the masses and not sustainabl, It's always easier to have a paper say "do this" than finding a tech to circumvent it. Politics is fundamentally people business and involves lots of people who can't or won't understand the details of what is going on but who may still be interested in th…

i also want believe the same, but i am increasingly disillusioned that there's a political process that is capable of reforming it - think about the fact that no one asked for these measures of censorship, but they keep creeping in, as though some vested interest has been pushing it through at every opportunity.

So the lack of ability to solve this politically has made technological solution the only out.

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Post by [deleted] »

Kazik24 wrote: post #419
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #411

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QUIC or any other technology still needs domain name and both the domain name ownership and DNS could be blocked by governments. Also IP could be blocked.

There is DNS over QUIC, and in case your current Connection ID or IP is blocked during the connection, QUIC can use multiple IPs and CIDs for single connection, and CIDs are negotiated in encrypted part of packet. It's a mechanism for migrating connection over changing networks. Servers can also take advantage of that. Server could have multiple QUIC output nodes to migrate connection in case one of them is blocked.…

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Post by thedrbrian »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #258
jdietrich wrote: post #141

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Millions of British people are already engaged in a cat-and-mouse game against online censorship, for one main reason - football (soccer). If you're a British football fan and want to watch every live televised match, you'll need to pay £75 a month for subscriptions to both Sky Sports and TNT Sports. That won't actually allow you to watch all of the matches that are played , because for weird historical reasons there…

£75 a month seems very reasonable for sports nerds, compared to the cost and availability in the past People don’t want to ly for content, that’s as old as the hills. I don’t do sport, and I wouldn’t fund such a terrible exploitative industry (televised sports is all about getting people hooked on gambling), but I’ve certainly spent that much for entertainment I do like in the past - and far more. A night at the thea…

>£75 a month seems very reasonable for sports nerds, compared to the cost and availability in the past

good that you ignore the actual point of the comment that you replied to

>That won't actually allow you to watch all of the matches that are played, because for weird historical reasons there's a TV blackout on matches played on Saturday afternoon - even if you've paid for your subscriptions, you'll only be able to watch about half of all league matches on TV.

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Post by PicassoCTs »

numpad0 wrote: post #305
OldfieldFund wrote: post #238

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Twitter is really not far from 4chan in 2025.

Always has been. A lot of prominent Twitter accounts in my primary language, especially the old ones, has telltales of having been on 2chan. net. There must be something to that format that installs a basic social media amplification skill in your brain that do not develop otherwise. There are places more toxic than 4chan but skill levels don't compare, and 4chan and 2chan also share nothing culture wise, so it must…

Its the fleetingness as a filter. If you are not catchy and repeated by others- its gone. instantly. No coming back.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by PicassoCTs »

watwut wrote: post #269
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #55

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The stuff that Free Speech Absolutists like to say on twitter, judging by the date they included. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquisition_of_Twitter_by_Elon...

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Listen. The lies, the culture relativist lies, they are so tiresome.

We now all have ghaza at home- and we see through it all now. You do not have the slightest idea of the world, you just have that approximation made out of your own feelings and you yank on all social levers to make it real.

Im sorry the world made you unable to appreciate complexity and handle it especially when its hostile to western values. But the grown ups have to clean up your mess now.

Why not go and play in your corner, with the other problems, you could play "nazi and revolutionary" all day long. Thank you..

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