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Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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Do people think USD being accepted at kink stores gives the USA a reputation risk? I just don't see the argument that a payment processor being able to process payments legitimately gives them reputation risk. I don't doubt that people write in to MasterCard to claim it does but people write about everything.

If there were a law that MC had to be an impartial utility, like a phone or electricity provider, then it wouldn't hurt their reputation. But since there is no such law, they have the choice to deny transactions, which also means they can be blamed (by puritans) for allowing them.

I'm not sure you need MC to be an impartial utility.

IIUC, the problem here is the colluding behavior. Steam can't just "drop" MC and use Visa for the transactions as the banks must abide by MC's rules even when MC isn't the payment processor just to be eligible to be a bank for MC.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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They should be allowing all lawful transactions, and if they can't, they should get broken up.

People keep saying this but I don’t see any reason any administration would do this. It is that type of argument that feels good to think about but has no legal basis.

It seems to me like Visa and MasterCard controlling the payment processing market, and restricting the sale of legal goods would fall under existing antitrust laws.

I don't think the current US administration has any desire to enforce antitrust laws though.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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If the regulation is legally binding by an act of Congress, it falls under the legal umbrella. Same thing in AUS: If there's a AUS law, they have to follow it.

In those cases, what would a law... "that businesses involved in facilitating financial transactions in the United States are considered “common carriers” and must not discriminate against, cancel or disadvantage any customer or legal transaction, without a court order" provide? It might have prevented Visa and Mastercard from being brought into the PornHub lawsuit... in the US. It wouldn't have protected them from A…

Yes, the US is not the world police and that’s okay. Let Australians deal with Australian laws and Australian lobbying groups.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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So... Mastercard's statement is very clear: > Put simply, we allow all lawful purchases on our network. But their "Rule 5.12.7" is... not so clear: > A Merchant must not submit to its Acquirer, and a Customer must not submit to the Interchange System, any Transaction that is illegal, or in the sole discretion of the Corporation, may damage the goodwill of the Corporation or reflect negatively on the Marks. Well, whic…

Public announcement are in no way bound by truth, terms of service are, to a degree

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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In this story, Itch and Valve are 10x more trustworthy than the card processors.

The fact that Visa and MasterCard are the primary payment options for OnlyFans, makes this story a mess. Some time ago Visa and MasterCard very vocally banned Pornhub (at least) from using their cards, 100% sure this comes from them.

> Some time ago Visa and MasterCard very vocally banned Pornhub (at least) from using their cards, 100% sure this comes from them.

That was because the government was prosecuting Pornhub for breaking the law (rape with real people, unlike these games).

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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If someone has inclinations toward such things, I'd rather they get their release through playing a video game.

Okay, but if so, let's be explicit about making that tradeoff. Also, let's not pretend that "ban all NSFW games" either was asked for or would be acted upon.

It's quite telling that there's a grand total of one (1) specific game people keep suggesting be unbanned. Given the number of games affected, a rare false positive is only to expected.

(Apparently itch.io temporarily took steps against all NSFW games, which is only to be expected if they have no way to immediately know which games are pedo/incest/rape games since they've chosen to let them flourish for so long.)

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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In those cases, what would a law... "that businesses involved in facilitating financial transactions in the United States are considered “common carriers” and must not discriminate against, cancel or disadvantage any customer or legal transaction, without a court order" provide? It might have prevented Visa and Mastercard from being brought into the PornHub lawsuit... in the US. It wouldn't have protected them from A…

Yes, the US is not the world police and that’s okay. Let Australians deal with Australian laws and Australian lobbying groups.

... and risk adverse international companies (like Visa and Mastercard) need to follow the laws everywhere despite what various jurisdictions shield them from in those jurisdictions.

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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Like FedNow that was launched in 2023? https://www.frbservices.org/news/fed360/issues/071625/fednow... https://www.frbservices.org/resources/fees/fednow-2025

Not even close the service offered by, as an example, Pix in Brazil.

Not sure why you were downvoted. Pix is a fantastic example of how much more efficient p2p payments can be, without relying on the Visa-Mastercard duopoly.

Of course Pix had the backing of the government, so it had a huge initial boost, and didn't have to compete with entrenched players for market share.

Still, the fact is that it's universal, fast, efficient, lower cost for merchants, and less prone to censoring. What's not to like?

In a way it's more convenient than making congress pass laws to define payment providers as common carriers. With Pix, payment companies are free to chose their policies, but now citizens have options. Unfortunately that's not the reality in the US.

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Is a payment processor operated by the Federal Reserve good enough? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FedNow Well, it probably would be, except guess who killed it in favor of a crypto scheme? https://www.jitumaster.com/2025/06/us-president-signs-execut... I agree about the PO though. Social media shouldn't be a for-profit enterprise either.

Every time we have this discussion someone brings up FedNow, and I will repeat the same question I always ask: when I visit the farmer's market this weekend, will anyone there be able to practically accept payment in FedNow? What would that even look like? (FYI the vendors take most cards, Apple/Google Pay, Venmo, paper cash, Square Cash, Apple Cash, etc.) If the answer is "no for these reasons", then this probably s…

There are over a thousand different companies affiliated with FedNow, so the answer is going to be "it won't look like FedNow, but you will use some wrapper for it"

Re: Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down

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This whole debacle is making a lot of people show their true colors. Grim.

I think some are really afraid of the fabled slippery slope, but yeah, the gaming world is home to a very dubious bread of pro CP, sex obsessed (as in “every media I consume must make me horny”) and misogynistic punks. Edit: not making any claims regarding the size of that population, most gamers are just regular people enjoying some escape, like me
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