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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by lern_too_spel »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #305
lern_too_spel wrote: post #209

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Iran would not accept millions of refugees following a different religion (Sunni) from the dominant one (Shia) in its theocracy. Palestinians would not accept transport as payment for stolen property.

Maybe they should have thought about that before being their #1 sponsor. But really any of their friends in the neighborhood should be willing to take them in.

They're not the ones who took their property. Why should they have to pay to compensate them?

Also, friend doesn't seem like the appropriate word to use here. Were Americans friends of the Contras?

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Post by falcor84 »

pyrale wrote: post #292
falcor84 wrote: post #237

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You reminded me of this interview with Harlan Ellison that was making the rounds a while ago [0]. I think there's some kernel of truth there. I've heard a lot of people from both sides say that they prefer to die than to leave the land. So following up on Harlan's proposal, I would be in favour of the international community owning up to the situation and offering full asylum and permanent resettlement with a short-t…

So basically the international community should allow a genocide by "whoever" is stronger?

Here's my phrasing: the international community should not expend resources to support people who prefer to fight and die for their land than to live peacefully elsewhere.

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Post by 18172828286177 »

Liron wrote: post #346
swat535 wrote: post #205

Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

Israeli here, can't directly answer your question since I've lived in the US for 99% of my adult life, but I consider myself pro-Israel and resent the way Israel is currently/always being portrayed. I see the key problem as people removing context: Context for why the current situation could easily be different if Hamas acted/acts differently, and context for why there is no "just stop fighting" option that leaves Is…

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Post by tguvot »

Adverblessly wrote: post #365
swat535 wrote: post #205

Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

> Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? If you are asking specifically about the Hilltop Youth, I believe most people understand them to be somewhere between extremists and jewish terrorists and do not support their actions. The government (well, Ben-Gvir) can continue to support them (within limits of plausible deniability) as long as they are in po…

people here don't understand and don't care about difference between 700k settlers, 500 hilltop youth idiots and where from they came.

trying to explain it, will get you downvoted and flagged. because people find it inconvenient when facts don't correlate with carefully cultivated media picture that they been consuming

edit: just in case somebody cares

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articl...

https://www.jns.org/over-6300-terror-attacks-against-jews-in...

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Price_tag_attack_...

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Post by lordnacho »

js8 wrote: post #315
Adverblessly wrote: post #246

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A one-state solution will just result in a civil war, followed swiftly by an actual genocide (i.e. 5,000,000+ dead).

They already are in a civil war, if you stop (wrongly) looking at Israel/Palestine as two different states. Look at my proposal above. War didn't happen in postapartheid JAR, despite everybody saying it would. What would people fight for, after all? They are all citizens of the same (biethnic) country, that's the perspective the world "leaders" should bring to the table. You need to bring some argument.

But South African apartheid, as well as American Jim Crow laws, were about people who didn't think they occupied different countries, and didn't think they should. It was about changing how the law saw people within the same country, with everyone agreeing they should be in the same state, under the same government.

Israel/Palestine seems to be two groups of people who really do not want to live together, and would prefer to be rid of the other side.

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Post by istjohn »

Liron wrote: post #376
cool_dude85 wrote: post #355

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This happened in the occupied West Bank. What would you like Hamas to do differently there?

I often don't endorse the behavior of Israeli settlers. I'm responding to the question of what Israelis think about the news in general, a question to which I wanted to contribute the context of Israel's precarious existential security as a sovereign Jewish state.

It's the "Jewish" in Jewish state that lies at the root of the conflict, isn't it? There aren't many options to maintain a dominant ethnic identity in a democracy when the land the nation was founded on was already inhabited by people who don't share in that identity. The only option is to either cede that ethnic identity or to engage in mass displacement and disenfranchisement.

It's exceedingly subtle the way ethno-nationalism gets smuggled into the phrase "as a sovereign Jewish state," but it is no less terrible and ugly than the ethno-nationalism in other parts of the world and eras in history.

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Post by lostlogin »

zdragnar wrote: post #337
llm_nerd wrote: post #147

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>Isreal proposed international peacekeeping forces in Gaza This is a bit misleading. Israel proposed that it maintain absolute and total military control of Gaza, but that a "peacekeeping force" from three Arab nations, bizarrely to be controlled by the US, would "secure food distribution". Israel has absolutely zero intention of handing over control of Gaza, and has gone to extraordinary lengths to vilify and delegi…

> Israel has absolutely zero intention of handing over control of Gaza, The charter for Hamas for years called for the total destruction of Israel. That's been recently removed, but their actions haven't changed. Why would any nation allow such a government to be their neighbor? The best that anyone could hope for would be a North / South Korea or CCP/KMT divide, but those only work because both sides share a common…

Israel is trying to destroy Gaza and its people - look at any recent photos. There is some equivalence in the aims, and one group has begun to get close - Israel.

It’s time for aggressive outside intervention.

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Post by 18172828286177 »

bawolff wrote: post #417
bigyabai wrote: post #353

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> why there is no "just stop fighting" option I don't recall many people ever seriously asking for that, though I admit I'm not up-to-date on Israeli affairs. Don't the overwhelming majority of outsiders want a two-state solution, or failing that a more secular Israeli administration? Through a lens of historical context and not just Oct 7th, it's hard for me to believe that Israelis don't know how to attain regional…

> > why there is no "just stop fighting" option > I don't recall many people ever seriously asking for that i live in Canada, literally half a world away. Every street light pole seems to have some sort of "Ceasefire now" sticker on it. I also see similar sentiment in online threads on the topic. I think there is a significant group of people who want Israel to commit to an unconditional ceasefire in Gaza. > We know…

People are arguing for an unconditional ceasefire because innocent people and children are literally starving to death.

Many of the people arguing for ceasefire probably wouldn’t be so animated about it if that wasn’t the case, i.e. if Israel was conducting a legal war with targeted strikes. That isn’t the case.

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