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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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ohdeargodno wrote: post #344
kbolino wrote: post #69

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A lot of this is going to come down to taste so de gustibus and all that, but this feels like building on a foundation of sand. If the artifacts can be removed (or at least mitigated), then by all means let's keep going with cool new stuff as long as it doesn't detract from other aspects of a game. But if they can't be fixed, then either these techniques ought to be relegated to special uses (like cutscenes or the ba…

So, there is a way to make it so that TAA and various temporal techniques look basically flawless. They need a _lot_ of information and pixels. You need a 4k rendering resolution, at least. Modern effects look stunning at that res. Unfortunately, nothing runs well at 4k with all the effects on.

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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by akimbostrawman »

JeremyNT wrote: post #252
surgical_fire wrote: post #119

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> It does sorta require Windows. The vast majority of my gaming library runs fine on Linux. Older games might run better than on Windows, in fact.

True for single player, but if you're into multiplayer games anti-cheat is an issue.

multiplayer games with anti cheat are the minority and of those about 40% do work

areweanticheatyet.com

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by alanbernstein »

Mistletoe wrote: post #417
dagaci wrote: post #403

Jenson has managed to kneel into every market boom in a reasonable amount of time with his GPUs and tech (hardware and software). No doubt he will be there when the next boom kicks off too. Microsoft fails consistently ... even when offered a lead on the plate... it fails, but these failures are eventually corrected for by the momentum of its massive business units. Apple is just very very late... but this failure ca…

What is the next boom? I honestly can’t think of one. Feels like we are just at the Age of the Plateau, which will be quite painful for markets and the world.

Humanoid robotics

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by cbarrick »

tyre wrote: post #418
cbarrick wrote: post #415

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+1. "Nvidia won, we all lost" sets a very different tone than "NVIDIA is full of shit". It's clearly not the tone the author intended to set. Even more concerning is that, by editorializing the title of an article that is (in part) about how Nvidia uses their market dominance to pressure reviewers and control the narrative, we must question whether or not the mod team is complicit in this effort. Is team green afraid…

Okay let’s take off the tin foil hat for a second. HN has a very strong moderation team with years and years of history letting awkward (e.g. criticism of YC, YC companies) things stand.

I said what I said above not as a genuinely held belief (I doubt Nvidia had any involvement in this editorialization), but as a rhetorical effect.

There are many reasons why the editorialized-title rule exists. One of the most important reasons is so that we can trust HN as an unbiased news aggregator. Given the content of the article, this particular instance of editorialization is pretty egregious and trust breaking.

And to be clear, those questions I asked are not outlandish to ask, even if we do trust HN enough to dismiss them.

The title should not have been changed.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by thfuran »

dagaci wrote: post #403

Jenson has managed to kneel into every market boom in a reasonable amount of time with his GPUs and tech (hardware and software). No doubt he will be there when the next boom kicks off too. Microsoft fails consistently ... even when offered a lead on the plate... it fails, but these failures are eventually corrected for by the momentum of its massive business units. Apple is just very very late... but this failure ca…

Why be happy about the demise of Intel? I'd rather have more chip designers than fewer.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by throwaway290 »

Arainach wrote: post #398

Why was the title of this post changed long after posting to something that doesn't match the article title? This editorializing goes directly against HN Guidelines (but was presumably done by the HN team?)

I think it's pretty obvious. People were investing like crazy into Nvidia on the "AI" gamble. Now everybody needs to keep hyping up Nvidia and AI no matter reality. (Until it starts to become obvious and then the selloff starts)

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by kbolino »

theshackleford wrote: post #290
amatecha wrote: post #283

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Yeah wait, what happened with EVGA? (guess I can search it up, of course) I was browsing gaming PC hardware recently and noticed none of the GPUs were from EVGA .. I used to buy their cards because they had such a good warranty policy (in my experience)... :\

In 2022 claiming a lack of respect from Nvidia, low margins, and Nvidia's control over partners as just a few of the reasons, EVGA ended its partnership with Nvidia and ceased manufacturing Nvidia GPUs. > I used to buy their cards because they had such a good warranty policy (in my experience)... :\ It's so wild to hear this as in my country, they were not considered anything special over any other third party retail…

The big bombshell IMO is that, according to EVGA at least, nVidia just comes up with the MSRP for each card all on its own, and doesn't even tell its partners what that number will be before announcing it to the public. I elaborate on this a bit more in a response to a sibling comment.

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Post by phronimos »

npteljes wrote: post #332
darkoob12 wrote: post #271

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I am not a gamer and don't why AMD GPUs aren't good enough. It's weird since both Xbox and PlayStation are using AMD GPUs. I guess there games that you can only play on PC with Nvidia graphics. That begs the question why someone create a game and ignore large console market.

What I experienced is that AI is a nightmare on AMD in Linux. There is a myriad of custom things that one needs to do, and even that just breaks after a while. Happened so much on my current setup (6600 XT) that I don't bother with local AI anymore, because the time investment is just not worth it. It's not that I can't live like this, I still have the same card, but if I were looking to do anything AI locally with a…

Are you referring to AI training, prediction/inference, or both? Could you give some examples for what had to be done and why? Thanks in advance.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by Gracana »

ryao wrote: post #399
Gracana wrote: post #253

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Previous well-designed video cards used the technologies I described. Eliminating the sense circuits and fusing is a recent development. I do like the idea of just using big wires. It’d be so much cleaner and simpler. Also using 24 or 48V would be nice, but that’d be an even bigger departure from current designs.

> Previous well-designed video cards used the technologies I described. Eliminating the sense circuits and fusing is a recent development. My point is that the PCB is where such features would be present, not the connector. There are connectors that have fusing. The UK’s AC power plugs are examples of them. The connectors inside PCs are not.

Oh, sure, I’m not proposing that the connector itself should have those features, rather that it shouldn’t be used without them present on the device.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by chriskanan »

alanbernstein wrote: post #423
Mistletoe wrote: post #417

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What is the next boom? I honestly can’t think of one. Feels like we are just at the Age of the Plateau, which will be quite painful for markets and the world.

Humanoid robotics

This will be huge in the next decade and powered by AI. There are so many competitors, currently, that it is hard to know who the winners will be. Nvidia is already angling for humanoid robotics with its investments.
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