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Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by Velorivox »

qualeed wrote: post #334
tomhow wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Playing with daddy's money Personal attacks like this are not ok. Sure, criticize their actions, but don't parlay that into this kind of personal swipe at the individuals and their families; that's when the line is crossed from valid critique of actions to nasty mob pile-on, and that's never ok here. Not that it should matter but as far as I can tell, the Pickle founder/CEO grew up and studied in Korea, and we have…

Sometimes it's really surprising what comments you guys push back on and which ones you don't comment on. (Yes, I know, you can't see everything, etc.). I suspect it might be because this one wasn't dressed up enough. While it is a personal attack, it is pretty tame compared to (non-flagged) comments I see here every day. I especially don't see it as a swipe at their family. Yet this is a pretty strong rebuke. While…

I wasn’t surprised by the pushback. This isn’t like responding to a pseudonymous HN comment opting into a discussion, they are talking about specific people and posting pointedly mean-spirited remarks towards a party that has not opted to discuss their provenance.

The response could’ve been better worded but you can see how no one would want to moderate a community that makes it a habit to disparage specific people outside of a good faith discussion.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by qualeed »

Velorivox wrote: post #421
qualeed wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes it's really surprising what comments you guys push back on and which ones you don't comment on. (Yes, I know, you can't see everything, etc.). I suspect it might be because this one wasn't dressed up enough. While it is a personal attack, it is pretty tame compared to (non-flagged) comments I see here every day. I especially don't see it as a swipe at their family. Yet this is a pretty strong rebuke. While…

I wasn’t surprised by the pushback. This isn’t like responding to a pseudonymous HN comment opting into a discussion, they are talking about specific people and posting pointedly mean-spirited remarks towards a party that has not opted to discuss their provenance. The response could’ve been better worded but you can see how no one would want to moderate a community that makes it a habit to disparage specific people o…

>I wasn’t surprised by the pushback.

This comment broke the guidelines. I'm not saying it shouldn't have been moderated. I made a meta comment on the overall moderation on HN, which sometimes surprises me in which comments get reprimanded and which ones don't (and with what amount of vigor the reprimand is delivered with).

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by zelphirkalt »

ipsum2 wrote: post #90

This is the second time in less than a year something similar has happened. Previously, a different YC company (Pear AI) copied Continue, changed the licenses, and "launched". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41707495 I wonder if Pear AI is dead or pivoted, their open source repos have not been updated since May.

Maybe a kind of hall of shame is needed, where these companies are listed, and perhaps a link to a history of how the issue was dealt with.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by glowiefedposter »

buremba wrote: post #304

The clone now has more stars on GitHub than the original work, CheatingDaddy. What's funny is that in a week, most likely nobody will remember that the code was stolen, thus Pickle will probably be fine with their new, shiny, popular project, which will be featured in GitHub Trends. It's the same with another Soham, who was moonlighting for years. I would not be surprised if he starts a company soon, given the fame h…

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Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by dang »

qualeed wrote: post #334
tomhow wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Playing with daddy's money Personal attacks like this are not ok. Sure, criticize their actions, but don't parlay that into this kind of personal swipe at the individuals and their families; that's when the line is crossed from valid critique of actions to nasty mob pile-on, and that's never ok here. Not that it should matter but as far as I can tell, the Pickle founder/CEO grew up and studied in Korea, and we have…

Sometimes it's really surprising what comments you guys push back on and which ones you don't comment on. (Yes, I know, you can't see everything, etc.). I suspect it might be because this one wasn't dressed up enough. While it is a personal attack, it is pretty tame compared to (non-flagged) comments I see here every day. I especially don't see it as a swipe at their family. Yet this is a pretty strong rebuke. While…

FWIW, that comment looked like an egregious personal attack to me too (and yes I hear you that you're not defending that post! but rather asking a fair question about moderation standards).

If there are comments that are that bad or worse floating around HN, which aren't getting flagged and/or replied to by moderators, we really need to see them. If you can recall where any of them are, and can dig up links, we'd appreciate it. Failing that, if you (or anyone) see cases of this in the future, we'd appreciate a heads-up.

The one thing I can imagine you might be referring to are some of the recent politically charged threads where people were really going after each other. Those are hard to moderate without coming across as taking one political side against another (which we're careful not to, but this is easy to miss when passions are high). But even in those cases we do our best to make sure that the guideline-violating comments get flagged.

I realize you already alluded to this when you say "Yes, I know, you can't see everything," but that really is the only reason why comments of this sort should be going unflagged or unmoderated on HN. There's a lot that we just don't see here—there's far too much for us to read it all, and we rely on users bringing it to our attention.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by rfl890 »

tombert wrote: post #68
rfl890 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if you're writing open source because you want to write open source, then none of this matters. If you are worried about corporations stealing your work, that should drive you away from OSS. OSS should stay "hobbyist" for the individual developer.

Sure but it sort of devalues labor. If a corporation is stealing your OSS code (and violating a license) then that implies that they think your code has value, they might have paid a person to write that code but instead some hobbyist built it for free and a corporation steals it. A few months ago, I made a pull request to LMAX Disruptor, which was merged. I was initially excited because even if my PR was simple it’s…

That's the caveat, the contract you sign when you start an open source project. You have to have the mindset of simply not giving a fuck about who does what with your code and how much they make from it. Then you can be at peace. If you don't want to (or can't) adopt that mindset for a particular project or at all, that's completely fine and normal. OSS is not for you. As soon as you want compensation for your work, things start to go south. See the whole core-js situation and what went down for an example.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by Smeevy »

qualeed wrote: post #385
mathiaspoint wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you not understand what YC was? They're essentially an investment bank that doesn't accept new clients. They make money, they're not a charity. Quality only matters insofar as it drives sales and doesn't create liabilities.

> They make money, they're not a charity. I know it can be shocking to some people to learn this, but you can make money ethically .

Unfortunately, that's not how someone gets that third comma in their net worth. The billionaires that so much of American society worship didn't make all of that money by being smart, kind, honest, or ethical. They made it by being dishonest, morally flexible, and ruthless.

Especially now, business ethics are for the "little people." The modern billionaire class no longer cares about even keeping up the appearance of decency.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by qualeed »

Smeevy wrote: post #427
qualeed wrote: post #385

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They make money, they're not a charity. I know it can be shocking to some people to learn this, but you can make money ethically .

Unfortunately, that's not how someone gets that third comma in their net worth. The billionaires that so much of American society worship didn't make all of that money by being smart, kind, honest, or ethical. They made it by being dishonest, morally flexible, and ruthless. Especially now, business ethics are for the "little people." The modern billionaire class no longer cares about even keeping up the appearance of…

There's a lot of "comfortably wealthy" available between "charity company" and "billionaire" which can be achieved ethically, though.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by Reelix »

znpy wrote: post #321

The author could bring the company to court for license infringement, it's an easy case, they (the original author) could easily bring home some of those sweet sweet YC vc money.

They spend a hundred grand on getting a lawyer, the company instantly declares insolvency, and then Glasss (With 3 s's - Completely unrelated to the previous one) does the exact same thing.

Re: My open source project was relicensed by a YC company [license updated]

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Post by ozgrakkurt »

Takennickname wrote: post #324
ozgrakkurt wrote: post #185

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Doesn't matter at all according to who?

No matter the license someone can just take the source code and use it however they like unless you have a concrete plan to stop them. I used to feel like licenses actually meant more but seeing a lot of examples of it made me realise this
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