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Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by mike_hearn »

wickedsight wrote: post #410
mike_hearn wrote: post #408

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Where do you see that warming has accelerated dramatically? NOAAs graphs don't show that.

> NOAAs graphs don't show that Good one... Luckily, there's more in the world than NOAA. If you just search 'global warming accelerating' on Google, there are plenty of sources. I can't seem to find the 'more in the next 10 than the previous 40' stat and 'dramatically' is obviously subjective, but it doesn't look great. If you look at some predictions from people specializing in permafrost methane ejections, it looks…

We're talking about recorded data, not predictions. If you think NOAA's data is wrong then it seems like a good reason to support taking down those climate reports?

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Post by aaaja »

xerox13ster wrote: post #418
southernplaces7 wrote: post #334

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>The progressively worsening attacks on the ability of trans people to exist in daily life. Really? Care to name an example of their being persecuted legally by the administration in the way you claim? For example, there were multiple huge gay pride parades in the U.S just recently, which are visibly and vocally attended by trans people too, and I didn't see federal agents or police of any kind going at them at any p…

I literally named one: Trump's anti-trans sports executive order. Care to read more than a sentence at a time?

That executive order is for the benefit of female athletes who have been disadvantaged and adversely affected by male-inclusion policy. The order is not "anti-trans". Its purpose is to restore fairness and improve safety in women's sports.

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Post by FireBeyond »

janice1999 wrote: post #4
aaroninsf wrote: post #3

The current administration is not merely racists, autocratic, and hell bent on insuring all wealth is held by the oligarch class, it is also engaged in the most venal, short-sighted, and destructive assault on the basic functions of governance and civil society I can imagine. I don't care what one's view is on the appropriate scale and role of federal governance, some operations are best and only accomplished at that…

Destroying federal governance seems on point for people who read Yarvin and want to rule feudal micro-states as techno-kings.

Also not much of a coincidence that Yarvin is an out and out white nationalist, though he denies it, or at least the name: "I am not a white nationalist, though I am not exactly allergic to the stuff" - whatever the hell that mealy mouth answer is meant to mean.

He even wrote a bloviating article to further clarify that he is not a white nationalist. You'd be forgiven though, if you didn't read the title. It spends most of the article sympathizing with, understanding, agreeing with and talking of how white nationalism "resonates" with him. But don't worry, he swears he's not one at the end!

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Post by FireBeyond »

tialaramex wrote: post #276
dspillett wrote: post #207

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> Sad to see the USA transition to a banana republic. I'm not sure banana republic is the best description of what is happening, the definition of the term only cover part of where things are heading. A comparison with NK seems more complete, especially given the current twits at the top, so I've taken to referring to the US as DPR-US.

An insistence - in spite of the reality - that you're a democracy seems likely prophetic. Right now though I think you can say the US is just back-sliding. Trump threatened to arrest Mamdani for I guess being very popular or something but he doesn't seem to have even attempted to actually do that. Once it's actually gone, Mamdani just gets imprisoned or executed so that Trump's preferred candidate "wins" regardless.…

> An insistence - in spite of the reality - that you're a democracy seems likely prophetic.

Lord of War:

> Yuri Orlov: [Narrating] Every faction in Africa calls themselves by these noble names - Liberation this, Patriotic that, the Democratic Republic of something-or-other... I guess they can't own up to what they usually are: the Federation of Worse Oppressors than the Last Bunch of Oppressors. Often, the most barbaric atrocities occur when both combatants proclaim themselves Freedom Fighters.

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Post by timr »

jahsome wrote: post #368
timr wrote: post #269

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I said a movie was bad because I don’t enjoy being lectured about science by actors, many (if not most) of whom have only the most tenuous grasp of science. I wasn’t being “disingenuous”. I meant every word. It’s fine if you think I’m a snob, but I’m not “lying”. Y’all seem to have a hard time accepting that some people might not like propaganda, even if it is propaganda for things you support.

Your still lying. Saying you didn't say something which you very much did, and then claiming you said something completely different are forms of lying. It's not the opposition to propaganda folks bristle with, it's the self-important passive aggressive elitism.

> I said a movie was bad because I don’t enjoy being lectured about science by actors, many (if not most) of whom have only the most tenuous grasp of science. I wasn’t being “disingenuous”. I meant every word.

I not only said it, I repeated it, and then re-confirmed that I meant what I originally said.

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Post by timr »

jahsome wrote: post #119
timr wrote: post #109

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I’m not assuming anything - this is why I used words like “probably” and “mostly” - but let’s just say that I’ve known my share of actors, and I’m willing to take the odds.

It's so funny to me you'd whine about "preaching" and then take such a needlessly judgemental and demonstrably false stance, and then double down and lie when it's pointed out. Truly, a person of science.

Where did I "lie"?

I expressed an opinion.

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Post by userbinator »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #165
userbinator wrote: post #163

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Do I need to explain the word 'progeny'? Your assumptions about my voting are as well-evidenced as your skepticism of science.

When doomsday predictions have not held true for decades, it's nothing but FUD to scare the population into increasingly authoritarian control.

You should always be skeptical of science. That's why it's science and not religion. I thought we all learned that lesson in 2020.

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Post by chaoskitty »

timr wrote: post #64
chaoskitty wrote: post #58

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That's hopelessly naive. A "misconfiguration" is the excuse they use after the fact when there's enough outrage that they have to put things back the way they were.

I'm not being hopelessly naive. It's certainly possible that they took it down with the explicit intention of hiding information on the internet, but that would also be pretty stupid, since various articles have found the reports on other government servers . So I assume incompetence before malice. What's already known is that they fired the staff who prepared the report, and are presumably shutting down the agency.…

Did you read the article? The administration's excuse / explanation is that it's not illegal to remove data because it already exists elsewhere:

> said the information will be housed within NASA to comply with the law

So you think they'd accidentally misconfigure DNS, then explain that the site has been brought down because they comply with the law some other way? That doesn't make any sense, and suggesting this might just be a mistake in light of this information just makes you seem like an apologist.

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Post by trust_bt_verify »

close04 wrote: post #409
trust_bt_verify wrote: post #343

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You are correct. The fossil fuel industry will fund anyone who will take their money and push their greedy agenda. The difference in the republicans are normally the only ones who will stoop that low to sell out future generations for power today. That’s why no one cares about your false equivalency.

> That’s why no one cares about your false equivalency. It's more because people especially in the US are so partisan and self-centered right now that anything that even remotely sounds like it doesn't fully match their views leads to brain shutdown and autopilot rage mode. That's why it takes 3 very clear explanations for you to understand but still not quite (understanding takes effort and brainpower, but anyone ca…

This comment does not align with the hacker news guidelines. Pretty weak response.

The fact you had to stoop to personal attacks tells me you are not that confident in your position. You can downvote with your alt accounts but that doesn’t change the facts here.

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Post by lotsofpulp »

pstuart wrote: post #420
lotsofpulp wrote: post #415

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What do you mean? I see no success so far across the world, and simply paying people to have kids is the wrong incentive (since badly raised children are worse than no children).

> paying people to have kids is the wrong incentive I absolutely agree. Childcare is horribly expensive and just easing the burden of that would make parenting far more palatable to those who would otherwise be good parents.

Even the Scandinavian countries with world’s most generous childcare subsidies are nowhere near a replacement total fertility rate (~2.1).

Expecting other societies less egalitarian and less rich than them is pie in the sky thinking.

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