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Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

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Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

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Post by LAC-Tech »

the_af wrote: post #420
LAC-Tech wrote: post #418

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> You did say "Jewish people" instead of "many Israelis". This is not the same. I never said it was the same. I pointed out an instance of bigotry done by jews. And so I argue that it's not at all "ironic" for a person of jewish descent to (allegedly) think bigoted things. They have no moral high ground, and neither does any other race (however one chooses to define that). As to the rest, I suppose we have different…

> I pointed out an instance of bigotry done by jews An instance of bigotry supported by an admittedly large portion of Israel's population. Not by "the Jews". > History will tell you this is the norm. Irony is the norm in history, so it seems we actually agree.

You're now using scare quotes around phrases I never actually used. This is dishonest behaviour and I am done talking with you.

Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

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Post by the_af »

n2d4 wrote: post #91
defen wrote: post #74

Question for 'dang - is it possible to dig up the oldest post on this website that links to somewhere on "unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com" and has some amount of comments? It would be interesting to see how people were reacting to his ideas when he first posted them.

There's a filter for this: https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=unqualified-reservati... You can also use https://hn.algolia.com to find it.

Wow. It's interesting to see Yarvin's rants about CS and programming languages are as ill-informed and uneducated as his political rants.

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Post by queenkjuul »

soulofmischief wrote: post #399
queenkjuul wrote: post #364

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Yes the ever impending Chinese financial collapse I've been reading about since 2017 Any day now, right?

If you're incapable of recognizing the signs of an empire's collapse, slow as it may be initially, then you're trading a feeling of superiority in the present for being totally blindsided in the future when suddenly things accelerate and the world's governments begin to struggle under increasingly untenable energy and resource demands in the name of meeting quarterly growth quotas. The fact is that the signs are ther…

I do feel the need to point out that there is in fact a reason that the US media has boldly proclaimed the impending financial collapse of China every month for the last ten years, and it's precisely to give you a feeling of superiority

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Post by queenkjuul »

tim333 wrote: post #391
mandmandam wrote: post #378

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Why wouldn't you do the least bit of fact-checking before making such an incorrect assertion? > Over two-thirds of Israeli teens believe Arabs to be less intelligent, uncultured and violent. Over a third of Israeli teens fear Arabs all together > 50% of Israelis taking part said they would not live in the same building as Arabs, will not befriend, or let their children befriend Arabs and would not let Arabs into thei…

There are plenty of arab Israelis not being attacked. They would probably attack people murdering them and taking hostages of any race.

They're just being denied access to public services, redlined out of neighborhoods, or exiled to the ever-shrinking West Bank.

Not being bombed, sure. Not being attacked, no. Socially, politically, they are.

Re: Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

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Post by queenkjuul »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #404
queenkjuul wrote: post #360

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Please stop conflating the Israeli government with Jewish people in general

I don't think that I've done that. The original assertion was that it would be somehow "ironic" for a jewish person to have ethnocentric/supremacist/nationalist views. I pointed out that it definitely existed in that group.

> Jewish people have no moral high ground here.

If you weren't implicating Jewish people writ large, you shouldn't have brought up Jewish people writ large.

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Post by cassepipe »

TimorousBestie wrote: post #154
cassepipe wrote: post #89

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I’ve read LessWrong on and off since 2014. Read SSC and ACX semi-regularly. Scott’s a crank. He writes convincingly, he understands charisma and style, but he just can’t hold his own in an intellectual exchange. Just last week he and Tyler Cowen of Marginial Revolution got into a dispute over USAID and DOGE and the degree to which Scott fails over and over again to read otherwise simple sentences is staggering.

> He writes convincingly, he understands charisma and style, but he just can’t hold his own in an intellectual exchange.

Yes, it's convincing because he actually cares to craft a reasoning that you can follow for yourself and definitely not charisma and style

This is just a biased retelling of what happened. Scott responded to Cowen's response. So it's just like... your opinion, man.

I encourage anyone to just go read the exchange and decide for themselves.

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Post by cassepipe »

soulofmischief wrote: post #273
cjbgkagh wrote: post #239

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I’ve been hearing it’s eminent because China is not a democracy, I hear the western perspective. I see revolutions as an alternate elite agitating for change. In my model an effective suppression of an alternative elite is sufficient to prevent revolution. In my model it comes down to which secret police are more effective, the MSS or the CIA. Which is especially relevant here because how much of the ‘Thielverse’ is…

The US is not a functioning democracy and therefore effectively not a democracy at all, either. It's hard to pinpoint exactly when an empire will fall, but the signs seem to be around for a long time prior to that moment, and you basically have the people who recognize those signs, the people who don't, and the people who profit from confusion and disorder that pay a lot of money to both overtly and subtlety convince…

> The US is not a functioning democracy and therefore effectively not a democracy at all, either.

It's a weird statement because you are jumping from a descriptive statement ("not a functioning democracy") to a normative one (if it's not at least 80% democratic then I have decided that it's not a democracy)

I am getting too old not to notice such rhetorical tricks. Do better.

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Post by cassepipe »

esseph wrote: post #250
soulofmischief wrote: post #136

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Personally, I directly use energy, both current and future (access to resources) as the main currency of my economic model of the world, not money. So I do understand that China is well-equipped to weather the storm on multiple fronts. But that's orthogonal to the fact that they will experience major population shock that radically and painfully transforms their economy, and also to the fact that China is a totalitar…

The world population is supposed to start declining between 2080-2100 depending on your source. It's not just China, it's a global problem.

Exactly, and my original point was that China is much more equipped than other places to weather that storm

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Post by cassepipe »

indoordin0saur wrote: post #201
homefree wrote: post #133

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What's worse though is that he responds to these unhinged haters by modifying his writing (and seemingly his world views) to cause them less offense.

He is so dishonest that he has a page listing his old mistakes: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/mistakes

Do you know anyone else doing that ? But he is also capable of changing his mind if he presented with contradcitions or a better rationale ?

It's crazy that even though you are considerate, honest, try to argument and avoid culture war, you will end with some haters no matter what

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Post by edanm »

queenkjuul wrote: post #400
tim333 wrote: post #377

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They are attacking Hamas who are dedicated in their charter to destroying Israel as a state. Hamas is not a race.

Go read some of the things Israeli officials actually say about Palestinians. Go learn about what Israel is doing in the non-Hamas-controlled West Bank. Sorry, you're just literally ignorant here. Likud and their ilk do not hide their true feelings, American media just doesn't like to bring it up

> Go learn about what Israel is doing in the non-Hamas-controlled West Bank.

For the record, there is a lot of Hamas presence in the WB, even if it's not Hamas controlled. So if you are referring to government action in the WB, then it is aimed against terrorists.

If you're referring to what extremist settlers are doing in the WB, like setting Palestinian houses on fire and threatening violence and sometimes committing violence against Palestinians, then that's a different story. It's not official Israeli government action, but gets some tacit backing (and arguably a lot of tacit backing) from this government, and is absolutely heinous.

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