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Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by wfn »

switch007 wrote: post #373
omgitspavel wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also want to add that Kagi recently partnered with a Russian state-owned search engine Yandex: https://kagi.com/changelog#5340 . This means they are paying money to the Russian state through taxes and sharing my search queries with it. This was a critical issue for me, and it led me to stop using it and request a refund earlier this year.

And according to the link below, the Kagi founder/CEO claims Yandex is a private company headquartered in Kazakhstan, unrelated to the Russian government. https://ioc.exchange/@troed/113311987220115248

Yes and (for posterity / those lazy to read the linked Mastodon thread), if you read through the linked thread, you see that is nonsense and Yandex is very much a Russian business continually adjusting results based on Russian government input (to cross-check, see Wikipedia on Yandex).

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by neilv »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #405
zaneyard wrote: post #384

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Firefox (and probably others) allows you to set up custom search engines (like Wikipedia). So when I know I am trying to get to Wikipedia or npm or whatever I just do an @wikipedia and type my search.

I’ve used keyword search for many years, maybe since Netscape. Set it up and type “w thing”, no quotes. Can be a lot shorter.

Yep, I prefer the Firefox keywords for various sites, and to disable search support entirely.

For those who haven't tried this yet: the bookmark for Wikipedia might look something like this:

    Name:    [SEARCH] WIKIPEDIA
    URL:     https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=%s
    Keyword: w
Then, when you want to do a Wikipedia search, go to the URL&search bar, and enter `w` as the first word, followed by the search term, such as `w cats`.

Also, you might want to disable the other search engine and portal page features as much as you can. This requires setting some preferences not on the Preferences pages, so going to `about:config` preferences, to set, e.g., `keyword.enabled` to false.

Note that you control the keywords. So I thought Wikipedia deserved a one-letter keyword. But `a` went to archive.org Wayback Machine (which also meant I could just prefix any URL with `a` and a space), while I made myself spell out `amazon` every time I was in danger of unnecessary consumerism.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by poincaredisk »

omgitspavel wrote: post #288
catapart wrote: post #228

Posting for the unaware, without commentary on the content - just an FYI because it's something that matters to me, at least: https://d-shoot.net/kagi.html

I also want to add that Kagi recently partnered with a Russian state-owned search engine Yandex: https://kagi.com/changelog#5340 . This means they are paying money to the Russian state through taxes and sharing my search queries with it. This was a critical issue for me, and it led me to stop using it and request a refund earlier this year.

Sad to hear that. I seriously considered registering, but knowing this I can't in good faith pay money to Kagi. I know it sounds petty, but to people in my country this issue is very important.

And for many businesses in the EU it's illegal to transfer money directly or indirectly to Russia. I don't know how this applies exactly, but I know my company cannot legally pay for this

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by const_cast »

pimeys wrote: post #353
aaronbp wrote: post #318

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$10 is a reasonable price for a sandwich in any decent sandwich shop in the US. I live in Mississippi, crappiest economy in the nation. I assume people are thinking they meant the cost of a homemade bologna sandwich or something, otherwise this conversation is pretty absurd.

I'm in the capital city of Germany, a sandwich in the bakery around the corner is about 3-4 euros.

Food is currently very, very expensive in the US.

Went to Europe a few years ago and I remembered previously that food prices in Europe were high. But this last time, I noticed they were consistently ~5 euro/dollars less than it would be in the US. I was pleasantly surprised.

It’s only gotten worse here. Typical restaurant entree is maybe 17 dollars. Fast food is now about 12 dollars for a meal. At least in DFW Texas.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by discordance »

seth_at_kagi wrote: post #167
jrmg wrote: post #119

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Watch out - I got the email offering a new 30 day free trial, and at the end of the month they did nothing to inform me and started charging the credit card they apparently still had on file from when I subscribed for a month or two a few years ago. I guess with other companies I would’ve expected something like that and monitored the time more closely, but with Kagi I expected better - especially since the email off…

Hey, Engineer from Kagi here. This is not something we intentionally do here, and is a feature of Stripe to automatically renew at the end of a trial if there is a payment method present. It should have also sent you an email about 7 days before it was going to renew. With that said, I do understand how this may be unexpected. I will look into adding a workaround for this auto-renewal so that we can prevent that in t…

Thank you for stepping up but here's a tip - don't blame Stripe. If you use a 3p in your service, it's now apart of your service and you're responsible for that.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by [deleted] »

agentk9 wrote: post #415

Being "apolitical" is no excuse for funding a russian company (yandex). If they did not do this I would probably be a paying customer. There is nothing else in this space that has the trust or features that kagi has. The other point I have heard them say about using yandex is that there isn't another index that they could use that would be as good. This is a sound argument, but I would rather have worse image search…

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Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by Spivak »

agentk9 wrote: post #415

Being "apolitical" is no excuse for funding a russian company (yandex). If they did not do this I would probably be a paying customer. There is nothing else in this space that has the trust or features that kagi has. The other point I have heard them say about using yandex is that there isn't another index that they could use that would be as good. This is a sound argument, but I would rather have worse image search…

I would consider reading Vlad's response to this which is extremely measured and not at all "throwing his hands up" at the issue.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by istillwritecode »

Nah. I don't do subscriptions for much of anything. I just do fewer searches now that I know google is so heavily slanted toward commercially relevant queries.

Kagi seems like an obvious acquisition target. They will never raise enough paying subscribers.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

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Post by lukas099 »

ewhanley wrote: post #309
idiotsecant wrote: post #242

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10 dollars is like, a sandwich. Access to your search engine for a month is less useful than a sandwich?

It always seems like there's no one less willing to pay for software than those who create it for a living

Pretty sure Kagi’s users are disproportionately software workers by a large margin, though.
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