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Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by Hyperboreanal »

timewizard wrote: post #235
Hyperboreanal wrote: post #227

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> 2 straight generations of porn addicts Different types of pornography have different dangers and all of it has been broadly available since before the internet. > And then you have shit like watchpeopledie.tv. I think there's a broad gulf between these activities and I don't think they impact the brain in the same way as pornography. This type of violence can be found in movies and video games which also clearly pr…

>Different types of pornography have different dangers and all of it has been broadly available since before the internet.

A child couldn't get hardcore porn as easily as they can now, one google search away. Or just on their reddit/X feed.

>This type of violence can be found in movies and video games

Yeah but those aren't real. Videos of real death and violence being available to kids is worse than video games where fake characters die.

>I'd rather pornography be banned.

Adults are free to fuck themselves up, kids are not. We don't say "well I'd rather alcohol be banned" when it comes to kids not being allowed alcohol.

>Why?

Because I'd rather live in a society with less privacy than a degenerate society full of mentally ill shutins that don't have sex.

>to protect their margins.

Fuck margins, I care about the overall wellbeing of society.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by fc417fc802 »

redczar wrote: post #357
fc417fc802 wrote: post #324

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Can they? It seems highly unlikely to me that most web site operators are colluding with my VPN provider to unmask me. (Yes fingerprinting is a huge issue but the implications of that get fairly complicated.)

Years ago Google released anonymized browsing data to researchers. The researchers were able to determine who did the searches. I imagine a state actor can already determine almost everyone’s online activity.

There's definitely some critical information missing there. I don't think you could individually identify me if all you had to go on was the text and timestamp of the searches I made within the past 24 hours. At least yesterday I didn't even look up any local businesses on maps.

State actor and porn site operator are two very different things. Pointing to the former in this context reads like a non sequitur to me.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by redczar »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #422
redczar wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Years ago Google released anonymized browsing data to researchers. The researchers were able to determine who did the searches. I imagine a state actor can already determine almost everyone’s online activity.

There's definitely some critical information missing there. I don't think you could individually identify me if all you had to go on was the text and timestamp of the searches I made within the past 24 hours. At least yesterday I didn't even look up any local businesses on maps. State actor and porn site operator are two very different things. Pointing to the former in this context reads like a non sequitur to me.

I believe most websites keep track of viewing history and ip addresses of where that history comes from. I believe if the government wanted to determine what your internet history is they could do so with a great deal of accuracy. As such I think the complaint that requiring proof of age would be a privacy nightmare is not relevant.

We already live in an age of relatively little privacy.

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Post by viraptor »

nkohari wrote: post #373
viraptor wrote: post #347

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Not even close. Some peers will have effectively their phone at 6 or lower. https://www.waituntil8th.org/ tries to promote delaying till 8yo. It may start being an issue as soon as they get to primary school.

The website you linked encourages waiting until 8th grade (ie. about 14 years old), not 8 years old.

That's what I get for posting while tired...

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by fc417fc802 »

redczar wrote: post #423
fc417fc802 wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's definitely some critical information missing there. I don't think you could individually identify me if all you had to go on was the text and timestamp of the searches I made within the past 24 hours. At least yesterday I didn't even look up any local businesses on maps. State actor and porn site operator are two very different things. Pointing to the former in this context reads like a non sequitur to me.

I believe most websites keep track of viewing history and ip addresses of where that history comes from. I believe if the government wanted to determine what your internet history is they could do so with a great deal of accuracy. As such I think the complaint that requiring proof of age would be a privacy nightmare is not relevant. We already live in an age of relatively little privacy.

A targeted investigation by the government is not the same as dragnet surveillance is not the same as sharing the equivalent of my driver's license with some random site operator who can potentially turn around and sell that data (or just inadvertently leak it). The complaint is relevant because the proposed measure would make the status quo significantly worse than it currently is. That applies regardless of how bad it already is at present.

The government could fairly easily gain access to the contents of a security deposit box. That doesn't justify a policy requiring proactively declaring their contents to the authorities.

And all of that is before we even get to the essential question - would the proposed measure actually accomplish the officially stated goal?

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by rapind »

RHSeeger wrote: post #296
rapind wrote: post #217

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There's a peer / social issue at play as well though. If you believe that smart phones are disastrous for kids (I happen to think so), and don't allow your 13yo daughter to have one, you are pretty much forcing her to be the odd one out. Maybe that's OK for some parents, but you can't deny that this cost exists. Preventing your son from playing certain video games that all of his friends enjoy also has a social cost.…

It's important to teach our children that different people have different restrictions. Some of my daughter's friends have no phone. One of them has no phone, but does have a tablet. To the best of my knowledge, none of them are ostracized by the group. I mean, I've seen them hanging out at our house and other places.

> To the best of my knowledge, none of them are ostracized by the group.

Yes, in my experience it isn't as severe as "Ostracized", but definitely a bit "left out" occasionally, especially when friends are all doing "snap streaks" and swap BFFs (as they do) etc.

So at least in my area, a girl at 12+ will miss out on some social peer activities if she does not have a phone. End of the world? Probably not, but I guess it depends on your community's local culture. Also, the valley probably isn't a great baseline for comparison.

I'm not recommending anything. I just think we tend to ignore the nuance.

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Post by whiplash451 »

DrillShopper wrote: post #397
whiplash451 wrote: post #225

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What you describe is called QES (Qualified Electronic Signature) and is still widely used to validate identities. Unfortunately it is not enough to prove an identity (you could be using the credit card of your traveling uncle) and regulation requires for it to be combined with another proof. I see a lot of people associating identity verification with evil intent (advertising, tracking). I work in this domain and the…

As someone looking in from the outside: what regulations govern this type of work?

In EU: eIDAS and ETSI.

In the US: BIPA started in Illinois and is expanding to other states.

BIPA sets a brutal bar in terms of regulation.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by hn_go_brrrrr »

sph wrote: post #245
zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #194

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Why/how would my bank have my biometrics?

I logged into my Starling Bank account on a new phone, and I had to film my face reading a 6 digit number.

Wow, I would move my money elsewhere rather than comply with that.

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Post by pezezin »

dragonwriter wrote: post #187
pezezin wrote: post #184

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Since when is East Asia considered "Western"? I live in a Japanese city with a US military base and trust me, the only Western thing here are the few bars that cater to them.

Among the many definitions of "Western" is the original sense of "First World", encompassing members of the geopolitical bloc centered historically on the US.

Sources? It is the first time I see that definition, and sorry but it doesn't make any sense.

Re: Discord's face scanning age checks 'start of a bigger shift'

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Post by reaperducer »

stego-tech wrote: post #164

A long, long time ago (within the past ten years), I had to verify my age with a site. They didn't ask for my ID, or my facial scan, but instead asked for my credit card number. They issued a refund to the card of a few cents, and I had to tell them (within 24hr) how much the refund was for, after which point they'd issue a charge to claw it back. They made it clear that debit and gift cards would not be accepted, it…

They issued a refund to the card of a few cents, and I had to tell them (within 24hr) how much the refund was for, after which point they'd issue a charge to claw it back.

This was one of the methods that CompuServe used back in the 1980's, though using a checking account.

It's sad that so many aspects of technology have completely failed to improve in half a century.

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