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Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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This! I recently ditched Spotify and rediscovered radio in the past few weeks. There are so many great songs I've come across from bands I enjoy that I had never heard of because, as someone else said, Spotify's algorithm is way overfit.

It's also great sometimes to discover great music from genre you usually don't like, or... just be exposed to songs you don't like. This is what helps building a musical culture. Please allow me to recommend FIP, as a human (it's a classic here but there's no such thing as recommending too much FIP) : https://www.radiofrance.fr/fip

FIP and NTS are my goto's. The discovery features for shows on NTS and the "in focus" specials are great, so many good opportunities there for serendipitous listening. Will def check out radio paradise

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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This article fails to mention the absolute butchering of features that takes place moving from a typical music streaming subscription to a self hosted Jellyfin library. A large part of my listening on YouTube Music is going to a particular song or band I like and clicking "Radio", which generates a playlist of similar sounding songs. You can then fine tune it with a filter i.e "Popular songs, deep cuts" or specific e…

Plexamp is really good for this. The styles information that Plexamp has works really well and in my experience, as long as your library is large enough, works better than modern Spotify. It was Spotify's degradation of their radio service and terrible "AI DJ" that finally got me off Spotify. Punishing them for platforming Joe Rogan was just icing.

I find Plexamps Radio features, and DJ's to work great against my library. It also helps if you, as an individual, have a diverse and large music library to supply for the sonic analysis.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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I respectfully disagree. If you're into classic rock those stations are pivoting around here to 90s and 2000s rock since that's "classic" now. Then you're left with ButtRock stations that play mostly the same thing every day at the same times in the same order. The best radio we had in our area was a college station that has an hour or two of stuff I'm interested in or as close to a legal pirate radio you can get (10…

Community radio DJ. Community being the important part. Most of the radio stations here in Columbus, Ohio are what you described, the clearchannel / IHeartMedia stations. However, there is an independent radio station and it's so great. They play Democracy Now! during the daytime and they have a rotating list of shows for the evening. I've heard some really great music during the evening shows. https://www.wcrsfm.org…

Thanks for putting it so well.

Commercial radio is the devil.

Classic rock exists to sell lawn mowers to middle aged men

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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I would have agreed with you 3 years ago. But now not so much. Spotify "Radio" feature just tends to want to give me music I've already listened to over new music. Whatever algorithm they are using has waaaay overfit to what I have already liked. There used to be curated playlists done by humans, now almost everything is "made for you by Spotify" playlists which, have the exact same issue as the radio stations, sudde…

YouTube is much better than Spotify for this in my experience.

My experience with YouTube is that I start with an obscure song/artist and it will gradually bring me to the mainstream. Maybe that is just me... I feel like ideal algorithms died with last.fm era.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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> I wish there was an easy way for this - plug and play kinda I can click a button in Lidarr to auth with Spotify and automatically search usenet for every album of every artist I follow on spotify, download them all, and make them available in Jellyfin. It'll even monitor the spotify account and import new additions. Getting the whole stack set up is pretty much the exact opposite of plug and play, but once you have…

I ran my own seedbox for close to 12 years on a VPS. My choice was either never upgrading the OS (which was always an Ubuntu server) or setting up everything all over again. There were few more things like a VPN, a note app at one point, 2fa setup and so on. Finally I stopped and this Nov the VPN will expire and I am planning to let it go really. I see where you are coming from but all that experience really tired me…

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it sounds like your problems with your VPS and VPN come from having someone else hosting those services for you and restricting how you can use them instead of just doing them yourself. Things are indeed much more permanent (at least as much as you want them to be) when you actually do them yourself instead of rent them from someone.

> Would you mind sharing a tutorial if you’ve saved one somewhere

I would if I had one, but I mostly just googled the official installation instructions for any random component I wanted. No overall tutorials. Service-wise, I'm using Jellyseerr to discover content and take requests from friends/family, Radarr for sourcing movies, Sonarr for sourcing TV shows, Lidarr for sourcing music, Prowlarr for centralizing the configuration of the other *arrs, Sabnzbd as a usenet download client, rtorrent as a bittorrent client, and Jellyfin for consuming my library. You probably don't need all of those depending on what you're after, but you can just look up the instructions for only the components you want. And if you want to get content from usenet or private torrent trackers, you'll need the relevant accounts.

> what disk, CPU, and memory I am looking at for this?

Whatever you want honestly. You can run most of this on a toaster so long as you don't have unrealistic performance expectations for it. Obviously if you're planning to download 10TB worth of content, you're going to need at least that much disk space, and if you're planning to download it faster than HDDs can spin, you might need some SSDs. But most of these things are just downloaders and file managers and don't really need much more than network bandwidth to source the content and disk IO to put the content somewhere. Maybe 8GB of memory for some of the more bloated services (my whole server idles at ~5GB used, and it runs a lot of other junk) and to do really large indexer merges when searching for content, and however much hardware you need to meet your transcoding requirements if you're playing through Jellyfin or similar. You can stream source material without transcoding and consume basically no CPU from it, or you can enable transcoding with a decent enough CPU or pretty much any supported GPU. All up to you and your needs.

I'd recommend starting with pretty minimal hardware and adding more as you need it. My storage has quadrupled since I started doing this and at some point I tossed in an old GPU for transcoding.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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For music, Navidrome is superior. It is just crazy how easy it is to set this stuff up nowadays. I run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers. Then I use NordVPN Meshnet to securely connect to them outside of the home. The experience is absolutely flawless. In Navidrome you can host an entire FLAC library and then transcode to Opus on the fly. It's been over a year now and I have pretty much no issues whats…

I understand that Navidrome is more specialized for music, but what specifically makes it superior to Jellyfin, in your opinion?

Smart Playlists mainly. They let you add logical filters to create playlists. Think IF song_name NOT contains "live". That's not syntactically correct but that's the idea. Also lots of apps can connect to navidrome so you can import everything easily. Like Feishen is a desktop music player, and

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Just tossing in my own recommendation: I use Lyrion Music Server (previously Logitech Media Server (previously Slim Devices/Squeezebox))[1]

It's open-source, self-hosted, has various good plugins (eg: I have some Pandora stations I listen to, as well as my own music collection). You can synchronize music across multiple devices in your home (I just have 2).

Even though the physical devices (Squeezebox Touch, etc) are no longer sold, it's pretty easy to build one yourself with a raspberry pi.

It's one of those cases where a company created something great, and strongly-open-sourced it enough that the project can't die even though the new owners are not giving it the love it deserves.

So, I hope to keep using it for the rest of my days (:

[1] https://lyrion.org/

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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> It is just crazy how easy it is to set this stuff up nowadays. I run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers…. Wow, I’ll get grandma to do it! Ha ha, just kidding, but I’ll try it myself. Ha ha, just kidding. Honestly, I just want to scream “self-hosting isn’t going to happen, stop trying to make it happen.” I absolutely welcome the hobbyists doing this fun stuff in their free time, but the idea that they…

Those aren't competitors of Spotify/Netflix; they're alternatives for people who are willing to tolerate small inconveniences to have full control over their library. Of course it's not as easy as signing up for Spotify/Netflix, but setting them up is easier than ever (even easier for tech people).

Yup, the key word for me is control. And over time, considering the continual loss of control, more people will adopt self hosting, and things will get better and easier. For now, i only recommend it to hobbyists or people with free time and money. It does take quite a while to get it all running smoothly.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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I use Invidious whitout a a hassle, and firefox with ublock when I can not. For android there is New Pipe and some forks. I prefer to pay my yt loved channels than ser a fucking add

You misunderstand the goal. > to block all ads on your home network? That. That is the problem we're looking at. I already use Firefox on /my computer/. We were talking about a pihole or some /network/ solution. How do I block ads on my friends computer when they get into my network without touching their computer? How do I block ads on my TV? You'd have to do something like deep packet inspection. Devices I fully co…

If you have a tv with WebOS there is an ad-removed youtube app you can load. Doesn't solve your friend's problem but might solve part of the problem.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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This reflects a lot of what I've been through as well. My subscriptions exploded when AU got a lot of different streaming platforms, and I think when paramount+ came out and took Star Trek off of another one I drew the line. I realised I still owned all the physical media, so time to make backups. Previous to that I moved off Gmail, that was by far the hardest, and still somewhat ongoing after 8+ years. The hardest t…

I've been on this mission but unfortunately also trying to defend my PhD in a month. But I do have a lot more Linux experience. Here's stuff that I think will really help. yt-dlp: a video downloaded. Originally designed for YouTube but supports a lot of sites. I suggest heavily aliasing this with options like sleep intervals, aria2, and make sure you download the user agent switcher. For YouTube you probably need to…

This is great. If you ever wrote about your entire setup I'd love to read it. Got a few new ideas from your post. To anyone reading, the most helpful tool for setting up my homelab is the community helper-scripts (formerly tteck, RIP). Those have saved me soooo much time, and showed me best practices in setup, and the list of scripts give you a good idea of tools that are commonly used.
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