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Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by anigbrowl »

aeternum wrote: post #142
bcrosby95 wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter if they're citizens or not if the government is skipping court thus not being required to prove it either way. Then when they oopsie you to another country they have to at least try to pretend to get you back but the courts need to show "deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs". Which is a long way of saying the executive can blackhole anyone it wants to a foreign co…

>Which is a long way of saying the executive can blackhole anyone it wants Do you have examples of the executive doing this to citizens or are you being hypothetical here? Countries generally grant far fewer rights to non-citizens. Have you considered how allowing non-citizens to spread discontent within a country could be abused?

I am aware of some US citizens being deported by mistake under previous administrations, but there was a general consensus that those were genuine mistakes, examples of negligence rather than policy: https://immigrationimpact.com/2021/07/30/ice-deport-us-citiz...

However the current administration is explicitly considering the idea of deliberately deporting citizens: https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-bl...

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by jmpman »

Yesterday, my high school son was sitting on the couch. Asked him what he was doing… “social studies on the partitioning of Palestine in 1948”. More spicy a topic that I was expecting. Intrigued, I asked ChatGPT a few questions about the religious populations of modern Israel throughout the centuries. Got some interesting results and asked it for some clarification on the political sensitivity of this topic. It agreed it would be challenged by many. Anyway, decided to share it with my son, and texted it to him on his iPhone from my iPhone. Normally that would be sent via iMessage, fully end to end encrypted, and yet this time, when I was sending potentially politically charged views on israel, it was sent as SMS!! Now, I’m not much of a conspiracy theorist, but… that got me questioning why, on any of the thousands of messages I’ve sent my son, this specific one wasn’t sent encrypted. Hmm

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by anigbrowl »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #263
ethbr1 wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Supreme Court resolutely batted that down 9-0 in a few days. >> The [District Court] order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador. The intended scope of the term “effectuate” in the District Court’s order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the…

Yes, that is where my quote came from. From your own quote: > The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. Which is such a ridiculously bullshit line of thought. This wasn't some person who willingly went to some random country, this is someone the executive illegally put there against the person's will in coordinati…

I think the SCOTUS was right on the money this time, and I am well to the left of any of its members. My read of their verbiage about effectuation/article II was a suggestion to the District Court judge to eliminate any wiggle room the administration would try to exploit.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by sneak »

maeil wrote: post #353
esafak wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's time to rethink the visibility and permanence of HN discussions.

That would be great, but I don't see it. HN has already been obviously violating GDPR and all other right-to-forget laws since forever by not allowong for account deletion, and everytime this has been brought up, dang has pretty much confirmed they don't care ("it would look bad if there were deleted comments [and that's more important than these laws]").

It turns out that in real life you don’t have any right to be forgotten, and trying to legally manufacture one is not only nonsensical, it’s impossible.

HN is a public forum, if you don’t want your statements here being public, don’t post.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by mrbombastic »

d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #418
maeil wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chris Krebs just yesterday had his security clearance revoked solely for saying the 2020 election was fair and not rigged. His coworkers at SentinelOne (almost certainly most of who are citizens) also had their clearances revoked, despite never speaking out on the topic, purely as a North Korea style "punish the whole family" approach to strike fear into people of guilt by association, so that those who have spoken o…

To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged, or that COVID couldn't be stopped by masks. You're essentially asking for conservatives to be the bigger person and stop the blood feud. IMO both approaches should have been more measured, but who do you think will propose the ceasefire agreement?

Can you give some examples of things related to those topics you think are equivalent to what is happening right now? Are you referring to facebook and twitter censorship of those topics?

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Post by RajT88 »

anigbrowl wrote: post #419
d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair...the other side was just as ferocious when someone postulated that the election was rigged, or that COVID couldn't be stopped by masks. You're essentially asking for conservatives to be the bigger person and stop the blood feud. IMO both approaches should have been more measured, but who do you think will propose the ceasefire agreement?

This is not true. People who claimed the election was rigged were asked to back up their claims with evidence. Typically they never did, although a smaller number made an effort...but the profferred evidence was nonsensical. I am not just talking about talking heads widely quoted on TV or social media posts, I read a lot of election litigation. I think the anti-mask people had some valid points, but they sank their o…

Dave Lobue and Justin Mealey should be forever shamed for the farce they put up during the hearings in Georgia.

https://www.charliekirk.com/news/georgia-data-scientist-prov...

If you check their work based on the publicly available data, you find that based on their logic there was a clear case for Trump cheating. Right wing media reporting the story, of course, did not.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by sneak »

esalman wrote: post #94
googlryas wrote: post #13

I'd like to see examples of actual posts that were taken down, rather than talk of the quantity, or who filed the reports.

I am part of a neighborhood group where I grew up in Bangladesh and lived until 5th grade in the 90s. The group admin this morning let us know via Facebook post that he has received warnings frm Facebook. The group is "at a risk of being suspended" because way too many posts relating to "dangerous organization and individuals" have been removed. He wants everyone to be extra careful when posting about p*l*s*i*e, I*r*…

…and yet, they still use and support these censorship platforms.

They’ll do anything but leave.

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Post by halayli »

dang wrote: post #49
plsbenice34 wrote: post #46

Why is the word Israeli removed from the title? and Meta added? Seems like quite a politically-important modification

Edit: ok you guys, all your responses have convinced me that I misread the room, and I'm going to reverse the title edit now. -- original reply: -- I did those title edits to (marginally) reduce the flamebait effect of the title, in keeping with standard moderation practice (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ). Titles have by far the biggest impact on discussion quality, so this is a big deal. Espe…

I totally understand the contention around this topic but you're altering the keypoint of what the article is about. Why remove one country name and keep the other? The article is not about Meta, but how their platform is being manipulated by one country against the other. Your edit shows a strong evidence you're not taking a partisan position and have a preference. I am not sure you should be editing contenious posts when you don't hold a partisan position. Your edit is in the same realm as what the post is talking about. I understand moderation is tricky, but this goes way beyond moderation.

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Post by dang »

halayli wrote: post #428
dang wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: ok you guys, all your responses have convinced me that I misread the room, and I'm going to reverse the title edit now. -- original reply: -- I did those title edits to (marginally) reduce the flamebait effect of the title, in keeping with standard moderation practice (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html ). Titles have by far the biggest impact on discussion quality, so this is a big deal. Espe…

I totally understand the contention around this topic but you're altering the keypoint of what the article is about. Why remove one country name and keep the other? The article is not about Meta, but how their platform is being manipulated by one country against the other. Your edit shows a strong evidence you're not taking a partisan position and have a preference. I am not sure you should be editing contenious post…

> this goes way beyond moderation

I'm sorry, but that's not true—quite the opposite.

If you guys had any idea how next-to-impossible it is to host substantive discussions about a topic like this, you should recognize that you're getting what you want (frontpage attention for this story) instead of complaining about a secondary detail (the title edit).

A title edit like that is not making a statement about the underlying story, and certainly not trying to suppress any aspect of it. The article is one click away for people to read and make up their own minds about. This thread is filled with comments about the detail that I took out of the title; no one is missing it.

Rather, what I did was bog standard HN moderation, the sort of thing we've done thousands of times on hundreds of topics over 15+ years, purely for the purpose of supporting a substantive discussion of the article that you (I don't mean you personally, but the set of commenters who have been complaining about this) want to be discussed in the first place. From my point of view, that amounts to demanding 100% instead of saying yes to the 90% that you're getting in this case. That's not a realistic assessment of the tradeoffs with a thread like this.

Edit: I'm sorry if that sounded tetchy—I certainly understand the feeling you're expressing and why it feels that way.

Re: Leaked data reveals Israeli govt campaign to remove pro-Palestine posts on Meta

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Post by anigbrowl »

spencerflem wrote: post #297

Judges have now ruled that suspected "expected beliefs" that are "otherwise lawful" is grounds for deportation, if those suspected thoughts are "antisemitic" (read- supportive of peace in Palestine). They are literally arresting and deporting people for suspected thoughts. Student visas are being denied based on social media posts. This is fascism.

Just for context, that judge is an immigration judge, ie a Department of State employee. Immigration judges are not part of the judicial branch (despite the job title) and can't make precedent or interpret law. They are basically a rubber stamp for whatever policy the Secretary of State is pushing.
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