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Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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reality check: europe never had fluoride in the water. still looking for the dental crisis.

What? Yes we do.

> Out of a population of about three-quarters of a billion, under 14 million people (approximately 2%) in Europe receive artificially-fluoridated water.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation_by_country#...

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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Putting fluoride in water promotes freedom. That sounds crazy, but let me justify it. If you are poor you can't go anywhere or buy anything. You're not free if you're poor. If you are sick, you may be confined to a hospital bed or not feel good enough to do anything. If you are sick you're not free. Putting fluoride in water reduces dental costs and incidence of cavities and therefore tooth infections, particularly a…

> Putting fluoride in water promotes freedom.

I rather define freedom by the government not deciding what's good for me

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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You're misattributing: the U.S. has a perfect white teeth culture that doesn't exist elsewhere. Many people outside of the U.S. have healthier but uglier teeth. Fluoride isn't the reason for good/bad teeth inside/outside of the U.S, it's cultural. Many places outside of the U.S. do put fluoride in their water (nationally or regionally) and have "bad" teeth (e.g: England).

What does a white-tooth culture look like specifically? People brush their teeth in France, they have modern dentristy etc.

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Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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Would you also ban iron in wheat flour?

You can presumably buy a different brand of flour or find a different source quite easily? Same applies to most other “fortified” products. With water your’e basically forced to waste money on bottled water or very expensive filtration systems. But yes, adding additional vitamins or minerals to food products is generally unnecessary when supplements are generally cheap and highly available these days.

The knowledge about the supplements we need also cheap and highly available and yet lots of people don't have it. I myself don't know all the supplements I need.

I feel like for better or worse we are being forced into an era of individual responsibilities where the safeguards that we used to rely on without having to think are being actively dismantled.

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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People who want to remove fluoride from the water should visit countries where fluoride is not added and look at people's teeth. I live in France and it's just so obvious that people grew up without fluoride — even celebrities try to talk without showing their teeth when they're on TV! I'm all for getting consent in most cases, but sometimes you'd have to be an idiot not to take the obvious win. It's like we were del…

You're misattributing: the U.S. has a perfect white teeth culture that doesn't exist elsewhere. Many people outside of the U.S. have healthier but uglier teeth. Fluoride isn't the reason for good/bad teeth inside/outside of the U.S, it's cultural. Many places outside of the U.S. do put fluoride in their water (nationally or regionally) and have "bad" teeth (e.g: England).

People in the U.S. don't have perfect white teeth, they have are cosmetic procedures on their teeth equivalent to liposuction, silicone, botox, hair plugs and/or laminated face.

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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reality check: europe never had fluoride in the water. still looking for the dental crisis.

most people’s teeth in europe do not look great.. specially when compared to north americans. from my experience, only people who are serious about their mouth health and go to the dentist at least twice a year, seem to have healthy and good looking teeth.

> people’s teeth in europe do not look great

What an offensive statement. Based on what? N=5 observation?

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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What I love about this comment is that one person thought "of course every other country just does the right thing when the US doesn't" and posted it, and then a bunch of other people thought "of course every other country just does the right thing when the US doesn't" and upvoted it, and not a single one of them thought to check what the "right thing" is. Meanwhile, back here on Earth-1, there's no right thing, and…

While I acknowledge it is not a "solved" issue, I find it bizarre nonetheless, simply because it is so disproportionately low-stakes compared to the amount of controversy around it. Increased risk of cavities versus tentative evidence of losing 1-2 IQ points at 1.5 mg/L? Sounds like a Monty Python sketch to me that people would get so worked up over this.

IQ points is just an indicator that could be measured consistently. Who knows what else is going on.. and statistically (especially depending on the distribution) 2 IQ points is quite a lot. After all 50% of the population fall into the 20 point range in the middle..

Of course it comes down to whether the relationship actually exists. But picking a slightly higher risk of cavities when the other option is potential mental impairment (however mild) seems like a no-brainer..

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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"Well, whether it's better to fluoridate the water or not, ~half the world got the answer wrong. But the important thing is they didn't argue about it."

They do have a point. If you look at history, Americans do seem to have a bizarre habit of turning everything into a great controversy. The British abolished slavery with a vote of parliament. The Russian emperor signed a decree, and freed the serfs. Compromised were made, compensation provided and people were made free. But for some reason, Americans felt the matter is important enough to start a civil war around it…

> If you look at history, Americans do seem to have a bizarre habit of turning everything into a great controversy.

It sure is bizarre for the parts of the world where people are born to do as they're told and shut up.

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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You're misattributing: the U.S. has a perfect white teeth culture that doesn't exist elsewhere. Many people outside of the U.S. have healthier but uglier teeth. Fluoride isn't the reason for good/bad teeth inside/outside of the U.S, it's cultural. Many places outside of the U.S. do put fluoride in their water (nationally or regionally) and have "bad" teeth (e.g: England).

What does a white-tooth culture look like specifically? People brush their teeth in France, they have modern dentristy etc.

US people wear facades to hide their teeth.

Re: Utah becomes first US state to ban fluoride in its water

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reality check: europe never had fluoride in the water. still looking for the dental crisis.

Tea has fluoride in it. Not saying that's the only reason, but perhaps one.

Then Americans who drink tea get a double dose of fluoride without knowing it. How does that work with the studies?
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