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Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by prawn »

rank0 wrote: post #417
prawn wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let people choose if they want to do something, but have a concerted effort to encourage/suggest things that might give them purpose and build a community. Leave them to decide their hours and effort. Maybe someone wants to clean the gutters for their entire block at 6am and then go tinker in the shed for half the day. I'm sure that sounds really lazy, but this concept is working up from a default UBI that is pay-for…

Nobody is going to choose to be a ditch digger without a financial incentive. Most jobs worth doing are unpleasant or difficult. Thats why people pay for the labor! I mean think about it…when was the last time you heard of charity gutter cleaning services? People would much rather enjoy their leisure time on hobbies or with family/friends.

Why would there not still be gutter cleaning or ditch digging companies? Or people cleaning their own gutters? I'm not familiar with UBI proposals that do away with traditional enterprises; it's generally suggested as raising the floor. People would have more time to clean their own gutters or use the money they receive to pay someone else.

In terms of charity cleaning services, there are people who clean hoarder's houses or landscape unruly yards for free on YouTube... ;)

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by _heimdall »

dataflow wrote: post #373
_heimdall wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UBI will almost certainly fail to cover the necessities unless we have Marx-style price controls. When everyone in the economy has a minimum of say $3,000 per month the cost of necessities, and everything else, will go up roughly in line with that.

I wasn't here to take a stance on UBI or argue over its practicalities, I was just explaining the intended outcome was not what the parent believed it to be. But fine, I'll bite. > will go up roughly in line with that Could you at least explain the logic that you believe implies this would occur with such certainty? I've thought about this before and I couldn't see this as a necessary outcome, though (depending on va…

Capitalism is based on, among other things, an expectation that free markets are pretty good at balancing out in the long run. If demand goes up only because access to money goes up, prices will rise.

Any increase in supply over time will eat up some of that price fluctuation, but for most products prices are more flexible than supply and a majority share of any capital increase will go towards prices rather than supply.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by ldoughty »

rank0 wrote: post #375
prawn wrote: post #343

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One suggested weakness of UBI is a lack of purpose. I wonder if the "solution" is somewhat as you implied: jobs without a strict return on investment. You get your stipend, but you're keeping your block clean by sweeping and mulching. They're getting theirs in exchange for cranking out sourdough at cost for the neighbourhood. Someone else gardens for elderly residents.

How do we determine who gets what job?

The idea behind UBI is that people do jobs that they want to do...

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by _heimdall »

paulddraper wrote: post #393
nyarlathotep_ wrote: post #331

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YES, this is exactly the case and why the Twitter layoffs and now the "DOGE" purge is a terrible thing (even in cases where it was totally legitimate to eliminate "waste"). "They had useless make-work jobs and sent 4 emails a week and watched TikToks the rest of the time" So? There's FAR too many people and nowhere near enough jobs for a large portion of people to do something that is both "real", and provides actual…

There is way more to do than we have time to do it.

Why don't we have time to do it now?

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by chairmansteve »

tcdent wrote: post #102

Searching the web is a great feature in theory, but every implementation I've used so far looks at the top X hits and then interprets it to be the correct answer. When you're talking to an LLM about popular topics or common errors, the top results are often just blogspam or unresolved forum posts, so the you never get an answer to your problem. More of an indicator that web search is more unusable than ever, but inte…

It needs to use Kagi.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by dataflow »

_heimdall wrote: post #422
dataflow wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't here to take a stance on UBI or argue over its practicalities, I was just explaining the intended outcome was not what the parent believed it to be. But fine, I'll bite. > will go up roughly in line with that Could you at least explain the logic that you believe implies this would occur with such certainty? I've thought about this before and I couldn't see this as a necessary outcome, though (depending on va…

Capitalism is based on, among other things, an expectation that free markets are pretty good at balancing out in the long run. If demand goes up only because access to money goes up, prices will rise. Any increase in supply over time will eat up some of that price fluctuation, but for most products prices are more flexible than supply and a majority share of any capital increase will go towards prices rather than sup…

> a majority share of any capital increase will go towards prices rather than supply

You actually made my point, I think: that the price increase need not necessarily be "roughly in line with that", but could be less.

This distinction is absolutely critical. Like I said in [1], if you put $3k in my pocket, and my expenses increase by $2k, that's a very different situation from if my expenses grow by $3k. It would mean there is a reachable equilibrium.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43430867

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by kadushka »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #420

if everyone is using LLMs to solve problems, in a few years, won't LLMs run out of content to mine? In short, how can the general dumbing down of LLMs and degradation of content used to solve problems be avoided over the long term? For questions about events and problems that arose after 2025, where would LLMs get information to solve those? and who would be asking those at a forum LLMs can access going forward? Is t…

1. People will continue to answer questions and post about events and problems after 2025. Eventually LLMs themselves (inside robots) will be observing the world and reporting on anything interesting.

2. Best LLMs today answer questions better than 90% of people who comment on forums. So if these LLMs have been able to train on all the crap posted on internet so far, they should only get better as they are being trained on high quality output from the latest (and future) LLMs.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by noisy_boy »

herdcall wrote: post #362

It badly hallucinated in my test. I asked it "Rust crate to access Postgres with Arrow support" and it made up an arrow-postgres crate. It even gave sample Rust code using this fictional crate! Below is its response (code example omitted): I can recommend a Rust crate for accessing PostgreSQL with Arrow support. The primary crate you'll want to use is arrow-postgres, which combines the PostgreSQL connectivity of the…

Maybe you can retry with lower temperature?

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by rank0 »

prawn wrote: post #421
rank0 wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is going to choose to be a ditch digger without a financial incentive. Most jobs worth doing are unpleasant or difficult. Thats why people pay for the labor! I mean think about it…when was the last time you heard of charity gutter cleaning services? People would much rather enjoy their leisure time on hobbies or with family/friends.

Why would there not still be gutter cleaning or ditch digging companies? Or people cleaning their own gutters? I'm not familiar with UBI proposals that do away with traditional enterprises; it's generally suggested as raising the floor. People would have more time to clean their own gutters or use the money they receive to pay someone else. In terms of charity cleaning services, there are people who clean hoarder's h…

You provided the example…I still don’t understand why anyone would start working for free. They already have the liberty to do so and choose not to.

If the government gives out free money people will pocket it. Should not be controversial.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by nmz »

_heimdall wrote: post #370
dataflow wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No we don't. We have too many people who -- even despite having respectable jobs -- can't afford the basic necessities for the month, let alone save for their future and family. The problem they're facing is the lack of the guaranteed basic income, not the lack of a job to collect it.

UBI will almost certainly fail to cover the necessities unless we have Marx-style price controls. When everyone in the economy has a minimum of say $3,000 per month the cost of necessities, and everything else, will go up roughly in line with that.

And yet we have christmas, with its very own christmas bonus.
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