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China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by gildas »

sepositus wrote: post #420
gildas wrote: post #411

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I'm sorry if you feel offended. My comments will be removed by HN moderators if they think it's necessary. You can flag and downvote them meanwhile. You can also contact the moderators or your local police if you think it is necessary. EDIT: It might not be possible to flag or downvote comments. So, I recommend you to contact the moderators or your local police. You can find my name and address on my GitHub profile.

I have no interest in pressing charges against you or getting you in trouble. That would be hypocritical of me and contrary to my beliefs. I was simply pointing out how easy it is to offend people on the internet and why it simply doesn't work at scale. If no one has the right to say something potentially offensive on the internet, then the whole thing needs to be shut down.

Thank you for explaining your point of view on the interest of this conversation. Here's mine, I consider an offense to be something quite subjective sometimes. In some cases, it's possible to offend someone without meaning to. The solution to this problem is to apologize and offer to talk about it. If that doesn't work, and the offense is in some way "forbidden", then the offended person can simply defend themselves by going to the “authorities”.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by ty6853 »

immibis wrote: post #413
ty6853 wrote: post #389

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Cool so now free speech is reduced to anything not viewed as harassment. I think I will take your advice, that's dystopic and far worse than just your prior bullet points.

Uh, it's reduced to things that are not harassment. Who said "viewed as"? Are you trying to make everything subjective, so you can argue all opinions about harassment are equally valid? This is like saying the US's gun law is "reduced" to everything "viewed as" the right to keep and bear arms. I don't think you can legally own a nuclear missile anywhere in the US, even in Texas. Which part of taking someone's picture…

Ban on nukes is an infringement but not as egregious as the ones in Europe. In another comment I admit for instance Yemen and Idlib have a stronger right to bear arms than the US. I absolutely acknowledge this.

US also has free speech issues. For instance, libel has civil penalties I disagree with. However not being able to post a photo I took of someone in public for me is completely intolerable and barbaric, and a harassment against people exercising right to free speech. Opinions differ so I'm pretty pleased with Germany doing their thing and me doing mine and never stepping foot on their soil.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by ty6853 »

redserk wrote: post #417
ty6853 wrote: post #388

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Well for one, Europe has a history of gassing disarmed people and those on registries, for two locking your gun up to pick someone up from the airport just presents an unnecessary opportunity for it to be stolen. Why is it a good thing to put someone into a tiny cage for victimless possession crimes? Why must I convince you why whatever I do is good to preserve my rights? Fuck all that.

Europe is a pretty big place with a lot of disparate governments. Abstracting it to merely "Europe" is ignoring how the world operates. Many European governments have been actively expanding and enshrining rights of individuals. Secondly, none of your points are pertinent to the day-to-day of anyone in academic research/science. Perhaps only to the irrationally paranoid.

It was relevant to Einstein.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by blindriver »

blitzar wrote: post #360
blindriver wrote: post #68

I worked at a well-known company that told us we couldn't bring any work electronic devices to China, because there was a risk malware could be installed on it. They advised us not to bring any personal electronic devices either, like phones because they could be confiscated at the border and returned with malware installed on it. It makes sense that this happens. I'm curious why they haven't attempted to tighten the…

I worked at a well-known company that told us we couldn't bring any work electronic devices to the USA.

This makes sense given that even American citizens have been detained at the border until they divulged passwords for their laptops or phones.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

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Post by tokioyoyo »

the_af wrote: post #406
chrischen wrote: post #252

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Apart from public bathrooms being much dirtier on average, they’ve modernized quite a bit. So, you can take me as 1st hand anecdotal evidence.

Public bathrooms can be disgusting in many first world countries. I wonder if the true mark of civilization will eventually be clean public bathrooms. It cannot be that hard because some select countries have managed to do it. Too few though.

Cultural, if I’ll be honest. Until kids are taught and indoctrinated in school that public cleanliness is net good for everyone, hard to see it change.

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Post by fennecbutt »

rapsey wrote: post #310
tho3i2424234 wrote: post #281

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Indeed. India which was at that was relatively in a good economic state, should've been a industrial super-power. Except, the "benign" British scuttled not only industrialization, but India's own traditional education and social systems.

India has had many decades of independence. Their failings are their own.

Yeah they spend money on space launches meanwhile UK taxpayers pay for aid to help starvation in areas in India.

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Post by rolandog »

rapsey wrote: post #310
tho3i2424234 wrote: post #281

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Indeed. India which was at that was relatively in a good economic state, should've been a industrial super-power. Except, the "benign" British scuttled not only industrialization, but India's own traditional education and social systems.

India has had many decades of independence. Their failings are their own.

As has been shown by what the US has done repeatedly to other countries — and what has now been done to them — you don't need much to derail a country's progress and have them spiral into regressive regimes...

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Post by fennecbutt »

maxglute wrote: post #379
wordofx wrote: post #368

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One of the benefits to China is the low drug use. But you’re blind if you can’t find insane amount of homeless people in Beijing or shanghai. Or that most people there are struggling. If you want to live with tunnel vision then it’s an amazing place to live. (Shanghai cos I didn’t live in any other city. Only travelled)

Lots of people are struggling but you won't find many truely "homeless", you'll find a lot of migrant/informal workers who has homes in rural areas slumming it in the big city to save $$$ so they can remitt more back home. Most with remotely sound mind / physically able can scrounge up $500 rmb for a shared bunk in a T1 shitbox. It elicits a different kind of sadness vs actual homeless. Generally state makes effort t…

Gosh that's some propaganda.

Every country has homeless people. There are truly homeless people in China. You don't need to put it in quotes, either.

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Post by fennecbutt »

NalNezumi wrote: post #36

I wonder if given the recent "moral" loss of US, we will see a post-WW2 Soviet vs USA style defection of scientists & engineers between USA and China? When you read the reasoning of people that defected from UK/US to soviet with nuclear secrets it's kinda hard to grasp now, but back then I can definitely understand that a mix of "the soviets are not that bad" and "are we really that good?" could've made people switch…

Why would a moral loss cause a defection to China, that's fucking hilarious bro. China, the place with a national firewall, subjects you can't speak about, try asking questions about certain things to a taxi driver and they'll call the ccp police on ya.

Absolutely hilarious opinion man, why not suggest the UK or hell, a defection to New Zealand. China on a moral basis? Comedy.

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Post by pezezin »

ty6853 wrote: post #388
pezezin wrote: post #352

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And why is that a good thing?

Well for one, Europe has a history of gassing disarmed people and those on registries, for two locking your gun up to pick someone up from the airport just presents an unnecessary opportunity for it to be stolen. Why is it a good thing to put someone into a tiny cage for victimless possession crimes? Why must I convince you why whatever I do is good to preserve my rights? Fuck all that.

Look, I am from Spain, currently living in Japan, two very safe countries with some of the lowest rates of crimes in the world. I have met plenty of Americans living in both places, and do you know what they told me? 1) They love having a functional healthcare system that won't bankrupt them, and 2) they also love being able to walk around, specially at night, without the fear of being shot by a random asshole.

So it turns out that with safety comes real freedom, the freedom to go on with your life without fear. Their words, not mine.

So please, tell me again why having guns is a good idea.

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