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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#422It's all so strange. I would happily buy Firefox, either as a one off, or as an annual license, and be done with all the weird license nonsense - presumably they want to sell data to pay the bills. But instead the choice, realistically, seems to be between giving all my browsing data to Google and to Mozilla. And Chrome works marginally better... :/
Sigh. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of Mozilla's situation. The "weird license nonsense" you're vaguely gesturing at doesn't even make sense in context. Firefox is open source under MPL 2.0. Your framing that "the choice is between giving all my browsing data to Google and to Mozilla" creates a false equivalence. Even with their recent privacy policy changes, Mozilla's approach is structurally different from…
> "Chrome works marginally better"
Performance, compatibility, security. Chromium runs faster, it works with more websites, it's sandbox is better, particularly on Android. I don't care much about memory usage as I don't need a billion tabs open at once (does anyone). There's options available beyond Chrome that offer most of the same privacy benefits as Firefox does.
I think marginal is an understatement. As for Mozilla's business model, what business model? They're throwing everything at the wall to see if it sticks and virtually nothing has, all the while their browser has languished. Going full cynic, at this point the only reason it is allowed to exist is because Google deem it useful to have it around as a counterpoint to accusations that they have a monopoly.
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#423Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I've been a Firefox user and Mozilla supporter for approaching two decades now, even used to donate monthly to the foundation. I'm furious over this. I installed LibreWolf on my personal machines last night and expect to uninstall Firefox after work today.
I'm a happy LibreWolf for years. The transition from FF to LibreWolf is seamless. And you won't be surprised anymore nor annoyed when Mozilla does moves like that.
It's seamless-ish.
Sometimes the more aggressive privacy settings stop some sites from rendering properly unless you add canvas exceptions, for example Openstreetmap and UK National Rail.
I'm happy to make the effort.
/Librewolf on desktop, Waterfox on mobile.
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#424I suppose the main target here is to sell firefox sync bookmark and history data?
It is possible to host your own firefox sync instance but it's too much work. I hope it gets easier with these announcements lighting a fire under people.
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#425It's all so strange. I would happily buy Firefox, either as a one off, or as an annual license, and be done with all the weird license nonsense - presumably they want to sell data to pay the bills. But instead the choice, realistically, seems to be between giving all my browsing data to Google and to Mozilla. And Chrome works marginally better... :/
Firefox is open source. You can take the source code and strip out all
of the malware, spying, telemetry and corporate harm leaving a safe
and private browser (to the extent any modern browser can be).
There are multiple forks that do that. Download one of them instead. Mozilla Corporation has no control over those, so if you don't like what Mozilla make, exercise your software freedom.
The problem with Mozilla, as far as I can see, is not the the compromises they make for obtaining money (everyone suffers that), its that they're deceptive and underhand about it. That makes them unethical. I wrote plenty regarding that here [0]
[0] https://cybershow.uk/blog/posts/you-are-too-dumb-for-tech/
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#426if i want to block data collection by Mozilla, what do i configure in pi-hole?
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#427I've been using Mozilla since the browser was literally called Mozilla, and I remain loyal simply because I don't think we should fragment the ecosystem. One company focusing its development resources is a lot better than 3 open source projects.
But fact is that Mozilla is effing up big time. They remain in the bay area where developers are paid super high salaries when they should be a 100% remote company. They have bugs and issues decades old. They keep flirting with big business.
They are also our last big corporate hope against the enshittification of the web.
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#428Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#429All talk of "Privacy", "Principles" and "Promises" from Mozilla was already empty as they were completely dependent on Google's money. This should surprise absolutely no-one and Mozilla never cared about their claims of privacy or their users as long as Google was paying them. So now we know that when it comes down to the wire as their biggest customer (Google) was under anti-trust scrutiny; indirectly threatening Mo…
The illusion of mozilla having any privacy principles collapsed for me on May 2019 when they required users to enable telemetry to allow using adblock and tracking blocking extensions.
Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox
#430Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sigh. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of Mozilla's situation. The "weird license nonsense" you're vaguely gesturing at doesn't even make sense in context. Firefox is open source under MPL 2.0. Your framing that "the choice is between giving all my browsing data to Google and to Mozilla" creates a false equivalence. Even with their recent privacy policy changes, Mozilla's approach is structurally different from…
> "Chrome works marginally better" Performance, compatibility, security. Chromium runs faster, it works with more websites, it's sandbox is better, particularly on Android. I don't care much about memory usage as I don't need a billion tabs open at once (does anyone). There's options available beyond Chrome that offer most of the same privacy benefits as Firefox does. I think marginal is an understatement. As for Moz…
> (does anyone)
Oh yes. And you don't even need that many tabs open for Chrome to eat half of your RAM.