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Post by layer8 »

layer8 wrote: post #131
ksec wrote: post #75

It is an iPhone 16, inside iPhone 14 Body, Single Camera from iPhone 16, with iPhone 14 OLED Screen, Apple Modem, Without UWB, Minus 1 GPU Core on A18, 7.5W MagSafe Charging same as iPhone 14. Wifi 6 instead of Wifi 7 on iPhone 16. However at $599, higher than the rumoured $499 or $549 pricing. iPhone 14 previously at $599 and iPhone SE at $429 are now gone. Getting rid of iPhone 14 and iPhone SE as they are both usi…

No MagSafe, only Qi (not Qi2). 800 nits typical brightness vs. 1000 for the 16, 1200 nits maximum brightness vs. 1600–2000 nits. Notch vs. dynamic island, of course.

The A18 in the 16e is also binned, one less GPU core compared to the regular 16.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Etheryte wrote: post #198
deergomoo wrote: post #176

At this point there’s only really one thing I want from an iPhone and that’s an option for a 12/13 mini sized device again. Surely those phones didn’t sell so few that it’s not worth doing at all?

If they can standardize their whole lineup around two sizes, regular and max, then I think it will be a very hard sell to add extra work and complexity for the production lines for a smaller size that sells both lower volumes and lower price. Don't get me wrong, I love the Mini and have one right now, but from a business management perspective I can totally see how getting rid of it makes sense. Another aspect that I…

Battery life deteriorating is only a pain point because they make it so users can't trivially service the battery themselves. It is amazing seeing the walk back over the years from sensible affordances to the consumer to binning those features behind expensive repairs. I still remember my ibook where you could pop out the keyboard with your fingers and pop out the battery with a dime. I remember when they released the unibody macbook and they gave you a simple clasp to access both the battery and the hard drive as they were anticipating consumers shifting to SSDs in the near future in 2010 and wanted to offer an affordance. Slowly that went away. The latch went away for a dozen small screws that are easy to strip and lose. Eventually the ability to change out the drive or the battery yourself went away too. Slippery slope of setting up user expectations for a worse version of the product in a few generations from certain standpoints. Sure it is faster but imagine if it was faster and also as serviceable as devices used to be. There isn't good reason for it other than to gouge you when you spec out your macbook at rates that are always at a convenient premium over today's prices for these hardware.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by dylan604 »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #416
dylan604 wrote: post #371

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The assumption that everyone has an issue with a device is where you loose me. I rarely look at my phone. I don't have any social apps on it. I only use the phone if I'm away from my keyboard. It is absolutely possible to own a device and not be addicted to it. I use my device for things that are useful, not unhealthy habits. It is not the device's fault you use it for unhealthy habits. Recognizing and admitting the…

> The assumption that everyone has an issue with a device is where you loose me I made no such assumption. This is far astray from the original thread

>Not sure how you can have the software without the hardware.

You can have good software. You can have bad software. The hardware does not make it good or bad. The software is whatever the devs made it to be utilizing whatever hardware on which it runs. The user is ultimately responsible for the software they use whether they installed it or it is preinstalled.

Again, blaming the horse because the rider is doing bad things is not the right approach

> In your example, I can just look thru your HN history and see you posted dozens of times yesterday.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? I don't use a device to do this.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by ksec »

usui wrote: post #122

Apple leans its weight heavily on controversial smartphone changes and defines trends for the rest of the industry, even when it's not the first company to do so. When it removed the headphone jack, introduced the screen notch, or added a camera bump, everyone followed afterward despite the grumbling. So keeping that in mind, regarding the modem, I remember prior comments about it being near-impossible or extremely d…

>If Apple starts spearheading changes in how phone modems work, could we imagine mobile towers playing along and converging? Or is it more entrenched than that?

Do You mean Telco Equipment vendor converging? Well first thing is that 4g / 5G or 3GPP is an open standard so anyone could implement it. Second is that there are only a few Telco Equipment vendor left already. There will still be insane amount of testing required to be done even if everyone were to use the same equipment. The amount of variables such as spectrum, regulations requirements, physical space and density as well as weather difference.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by asdff »

SunlitCat wrote: post #133
kemayo wrote: post #18

Let's see... it's replacing the SE, which is no longer on Apple's website. It's more expensive than the SE, at $599 vs $429. It's a pretty substantial hardware upgrade over the SE, including something like 75% more battery life by Apple's numbers, but it's also noticeably bigger. Apple's own comparison tool is useful: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone-16e,i...

The price hike is the major turn off point. Even as a non Apple person I was on the verge of getting the new "SE" if it's in the price range of the old SE line up. But not for 600 USD, that's a bit too much.

The market for a cheaper iphone like this has always been just buying a 4 year old phone for like $0-small few hundred from your carrier. Makes no sense for apple to push a new product in this segment when their own supply eats it. And all they really offer in the se is a new old iphone anyhow making use of old components they have spare inventory available or on order from their vendors remaining supply lines.

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Post by asdff »

beretguy wrote: post #400
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #201

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I am still using my 13 Mini. I got it, because I knew that it would be the last Mini Apple does. I plan to use it, until I need to charge the battery every 15 minutes.

I still use 1st Gen SE with 4 inch screen.

I would have kept using mine if it didn't have issues dropping calls and also certain app incompatibilities that began to be frusterating. It is actually a lot better of an iphone than my newer SE2. It is much faster on the OS it runs than this SE2 on ios 15. Spotlight search is instantaneous on the old SE. On the SE2 it might hang in spotlight for 5 seconds or longer.

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Post by rsync »

Kwpolska wrote: post #419
giancarlostoro wrote: post #154

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> The lineup is a little strange. They have Macs they call Macbook Airs, but their Macbooks look like "Air" Macbooks, they really should have swapped the names on those models long ago.

The 12" MacBook Abomination was a short-lived, badly-designed, performance-limited computer. Apple doesn’t sell them anymore, and modern Airs are very respectable computers.

... except for the fact that they refuse to re-issue the second greatest laptop form facter of all time: the 11" MBA.

First place, obviously, goes to the Toshiba Libretto.

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Post by ksec »

deergomoo wrote: post #176

At this point there’s only really one thing I want from an iPhone and that’s an option for a 12/13 mini sized device again. Surely those phones didn’t sell so few that it’s not worth doing at all?

I am actually optimistic that we might get the mini again now the 16e is priced at $599. There is a space for Mini at $499.

Part of the problem with Mini was its battery life. It seems 16e is improving on exactly that. Although I think it wont be 5.4" again since it was too small compared to the rest of the line up where it is usually 20% bigger screen to next size up.

May be 5.6" or even 5.8" as the original X.

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Post by asdff »

beretguy wrote: post #409
happyopossum wrote: post #269

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> but it's also noticeably bigger. I dunno, the old SE wasn’t a mini by any means - this is .3 inches taller and .2 inches wider, so yes bigger but not like a different size class altogether

Now compare it to 1st Gen SE.

Easily the nicest form factor phone they ever produced. You can reach the entire screen with the thumb in one hand without awkwardly flopping the phone onto the thumb in the farthest corner. It is smaller than your wallet. The battery lasted forever because the screen was small and not that bright or nearly so pixel dense.

Too bad the management consultants killed such a technology.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by asdff »

nlitened wrote: post #355
STELLANOVA wrote: post #327

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Backup/restore is one common usecase. It's painfully slow with current speed. AFAIK only Pro model support USB3 speeds. Someone more knowledgable can maybe explain if there is any technical/cost reason behind it (I honestly don't see one ).

I believe most people do iCloud backup/restore nowadays. I only do manual backup/restore once every few years when I upgrade my iPhone (even then, I could probably do that via iCloud also)

The only issue is now you pay for icloud for life. Terrible service just try pulling a lot of photos off of it. Basically can't be done because no matter the tool you try you get connection timeout issues after a couple dozen photos. I have like 60k photos on a family members icloud account that we can't get at all. Stuck paying icloud now for that person. Frankly at this point I'd pay for physical media mailed if that were an option.
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