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Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by aa-jv »

lqet wrote: post #418
matwood wrote: post #399

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I fly a lot and the only time I've ever thought 'this is it' was one time taking off out of Denver International. The airport is out on the plains east of the city and is known for high winds. We were taking off and nose had just started to lift up when a wind gust cause the entire plane to roll to the left. I could see the wing out my window and am still surprised to this day it didn't touch the ground. The pilot co…

We were once landing on Madeira, one of the most dangerous airports in the world. Even a nice landing there is quite uncomfortable. For some time you fly very close to the ocean, heading straight into the cliffs, and only in the last moment the plane seems to make a right turn to approach the runway. We made a wobbly touchdown, people already wanted to get up, when suddenly the plane was again lifted a few meters and…

I'm from Perth, one of the windiest cities in the world, and had a very similar situation landing once, a few years ago .. seemed like we were on center runway, everything seemed fine for smooth landing, and .. what felt like meters before touchdown, a gust came up and we rolled hard left, the wingtip barely escaping scraping the ground. The pilot corrected the roll and we did a go-around for another attempt, 30 minutes later while the wind settled.

Was such a harrowing experience that, when travelling back home from abroad, I try to fly into Port Hedland and then just take a 10-hour bus ride. (Okay, I admit that I do that mostly so I can get my jet-lag adjusted at the beaches of Shark Bay along the way .. ;)

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by sitharus »

fransje26 wrote: post #420
lqet wrote: post #356

The consensus on r/aviation seems to be that it was caused by wind shear. > This looks like wind shear to me. It was a stable approach and then it suddenly got slammed into the ground. That doesn't look like pilot-induced change in descent rate, it is too sudden for that. A sudden change in wind direction (shear) when that slow can absolutely cause a sudden loss of lift. > We have had almost 2 feet of snow up here si…

Interestingly, I found a deck of studying cards from Endeavor-Air, for the CRJ 900 limiations [1]. Card 18 states: Max allowable crosswind component for takeoff and landing on a runway when the braking action is “FAIR” => 20 knots That also seems to overlap with what is being discussed by CRJ pilots in this reddit thread [2] (EDIT: also discussed today here [3]) If the METAR is correct, they were landing with a cross…

The METAR was 27028G35KT, or 28 gusting 35 from 270° magnetic

However the runway landing was 33, or 330° magnetic.

So this is 24-30kt crosswind component. The maximum landing crosswind on a dry runway is 32kt. The press conference reported the runway as dry, so if they’re correct then it’s within limits. At the reported -9°c if the runway has been de-iced it could be dry I guess?

The surveillance potato camera makes it look like a hard landing on the right main, which is mounted on the wing root. But it’s very low quality and we’re not going to get the first real answers for a month.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by squigz »

InDubioProRubio wrote: post #409
mmarquezs wrote: post #404

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Tbh I am even surprised those links were a thing to begin with, at the end it is mainly to share stuff on their chat platform, they sort of allowed that, but feels weird that it was a thing to begin with.

Browsers should wrap that link with a "unwrapped link" that links to the source plattform, which usually is not discord.

Err, I don't think that'd be possible?

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by tssge »

kolp wrote: post #408
varjag wrote: post #402

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Lowkey mad at the lady dragging her hand luggage.

To be fair, it had all her stuff, so she couldn't just leave it behind. /s

Sarcasm aside, while still not acceptable, some people might not have the means to buy new items to replace what they lost in a crash. So it is understandable for some people to make the choice of taking their luggage with them in such an event, as they might not have the wealth and/or insurance necessary to replace those items afterwards.

Of course the solution would be to make airlines liable to replace passengers' luggage in the event of a crash and inform the passengers that they will do so, but that's not how the world works currently.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

DidYaWipe wrote: post #335
wood_spirit wrote: post #321

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Footage existing and footage being released to the public are two different things. I understand there is a public Voyeur interest in seeing crashes, but how does releasing footage of accidents aid investigation or safety outcomes?

It can aid pilots, for one thing. I watch air-safety/accident-analysis videos all the time. They are often extremely informative and promote a safety-oriented mindset and the refreshment of one's commitment to procedure. I also read scuba-diving accident reports. They reinforce best practices that I also explain to others in the context of what I've seen in said reports over and over.

Watching the various yt vids with pilots etc, I am considerably less anxious about flying.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by amelius »

varjag wrote: post #402
chakintosh wrote: post #371

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Footage from inside the plane of a flight attendant clearing passengers. https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1irwh9x/...

Lowkey mad at the lady dragging her hand luggage.

And person making movie on their smartphone.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by llm_nerd »

WalterBright wrote: post #248
llm_nerd wrote: post #179

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https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/s/GtFe8WfUQO It came down really, really hard, gear collapsed asymmetrically it seems, causing it to roll to the side and sheer one wing off then start rolling. And FWIW, the conditions of the runway were, by all reports, excellent. It was considered "dry" conditions.

Looks like security cam footage. Not one set up to view the flight ops, as the view is obstructed by a building and a fence.

You said "I've not seen any video of the crash. Usually, when there's a crash, dash cam or other amatuer video caught it.". This is video of the crash. What's the problem?

Airports have cameras of course, though they have no obligation or value in providing it to placate social medias rush for content.

Re: Plane crashes, overturns during landing at Toronto airport

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Post by sim7c00 »

lqet wrote: post #356

The consensus on r/aviation seems to be that it was caused by wind shear. > This looks like wind shear to me. It was a stable approach and then it suddenly got slammed into the ground. That doesn't look like pilot-induced change in descent rate, it is too sudden for that. A sudden change in wind direction (shear) when that slow can absolutely cause a sudden loss of lift. > We have had almost 2 feet of snow up here si…

experienced a windshear once in malaysia. only feet from the ground during landing. thankfully the pilots kept control and there were only a few bumps and bloody noses as a result (we slammed super hard into the tarmac, could feel.the moment of freefall clearly). this stuff is absolutely terrifying. i can imagine its a moment of total loss of control for a pilot, and having to basically on instinct regain it in milliseconds o.O. crazy stuff.
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