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Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by upofadown »

zecg wrote: post #382
upofadown wrote: post #375

This make me curious about exactly what "signal.me" links were all about. The details appear to be available here: * https://signal.miraheze.org/wiki/Signal.me_URLs * https://signal.miraheze.org/wiki/Usernames#Username_links Signal.me links are just a way to easily send either a phone number or user name to someone else. No cryptographic identity. No protection of the phone number or user name. So to get around the b…

signal.me links are used to join (and advertise) Signal groups

OK, I couldn't find any specific documentation just floating around about group links. It appears that the base64 value is specific to the group and is only exposed through the link. I didn't see any way to munge the "signal.me" domain and fix it again. So for groups Twitter/X seems to have won.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by scarab92 »

engeljohnb wrote: post #416
scarab92 wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, and that's were the double standards come in. Progressives: Elon doesn't care about freedom of speech because he doesn't allow (edge case) Also progressives: Freedom of speech has its limits Pick a lane.

Here is my lane: Elon is a hypocrite. He bought twitter in the name of "free speech," then removes any speech he doesn't like. His actions are inconsistent, and this one of many demonstrations that he doesn't care at all about liberty. That matters because he's now apparently in charge of every federal government agency.

Musk is a hypocrite, but so too are progressives on the topic of freedom of speech.

It's the pot calling the kettle black.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by lutharvaughn »

fzeroracer wrote: post #293
alt227 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech doesnt have asterisks. If certain people say things that are undesireable to other certain people, they have to power to ignore them.

Well, according to Free Speech Absolutist Elon Musk it does. Which is why we're here, discussing this topic. Right now. And is the point of the person you quoted.

When Musk and people similar to him say "free speech", what they mean is their ability to say and do things without consequences. To them, the world only exists for them and their benefit, so someone disagreeing with them or them facing consequences for something they said is "silencing their free speech".

They also feel like they should be allowed to shut down other people's speech, because that is part of their idea of free speech. They should be allowed to tell you that you're not allowed to talk.

The more people understand that when people talk about "absolute free speech", it isn't a serious position, and is mostly held by people with this view, the better. I'm sure there are actual "free speech purists" out there, but they are few and far between. Instead it is mostly people using the guise of free speech so they can say and do what they want without consequences.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by sjsdaiuasgdia »

scarab92 wrote: post #291
notahacker wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing inconsistent with people who don't call themselves "free speech absolutists" not being free speech absolutists. There's a lot inconsistent with someone masquerading as a "free speech absolutist" whilst actually drawing the line in a different place, in this case a place which has all sorts of arbitrary new offences like references to the word "cis", ADS-B feeds, and parody accounts and whatever else h…

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https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1499976967105433600

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by bad_user »

upofadown wrote: post #375

This make me curious about exactly what "signal.me" links were all about. The details appear to be available here: * https://signal.miraheze.org/wiki/Signal.me_URLs * https://signal.miraheze.org/wiki/Usernames#Username_links Signal.me links are just a way to easily send either a phone number or user name to someone else. No cryptographic identity. No protection of the phone number or user name. So to get around the b…

> The people involved probably should not be using Twitter/X for this sort of thing in the first place.

Usernames don't necessarily link someone with their real identity, and phone numbers can be hidden.

This isn't the weirdest apology I've ever heard for the behavior of Elon Musk and X's censorship policies, but it's definitely in the top 5.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by zimpenfish »

joshuahedlund wrote: post #413
parodysbird wrote: post #403

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He's just queried records with dead=FALSE. It's not active recipients of social security payments. All its showing is that some portion of people die without the death being officially logged on their record in the social security database. Edit: Also, it's not clear that the death field is the sole criteria for determining the eligibility for payments (i.e. determining the recipient is alive)

Yep, it doesn’t sound like that’s the sole criteria based on this thread, which includes a NYT article (from 2023!) showing less than 50k users over 100 collecting payments despite over 18M records. https://xcancel.com/ThatsMauvelous/status/189135619250239902... I can’t say how annoyed it makes me that Elon’s initial reaction to anything odd seems to be “fraud!!” rather than curiosity

> I can’t say how annoyed it makes me that Elon’s initial reaction to anything odd seems to be “fraud!!” rather than curiosity

To be fair, being curious about things isn't going to get as much support as screaming "GUBBERMINT FRAUD!" (a red rag to the GOP bull) when you're trying to trash any government departments that stand between you and more money.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by bad_user »

xzjis wrote: post #126
decimalenough wrote: post #4

Remember the Arab Spring and how Twitter was hailed as a tool for the masses to fight against their oppressors? And remember how Elon bought Twitter, loudly proclaiming he was doing so to defend free speech? I'm mildly curious to see how X tries to justify this, but I suspect they've reached the stage where they don't even need to pretend to pay lip service to their notional values.

"Freedom of speech" on Twitter is nothing more than Newspeak for censorship. In reality, the goal has always been to silence minorities who already struggle to express themselves, while allowing hate, racist, homophobic, and transphobic language to run rampant. It is a form of indirect censorship, through the self-censorship of minorities who fear speaking out. Then comes direct censorship, where certain terms or lin…

Name it X because old Twitter is dead.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by alt227 »

robin_reala wrote: post #251
alt227 wrote: post #240

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> Even free speech has its limits It doesnt though, thats the point. Its the same as competition in a capitalist marketplace. A company can sell terrible products and what should happen is people see they are terrible products and vote with their wallet to stop buying. Then the company goes out of business. With free speech if somebody is saying something that other people think is terrible, they should stop listenin…

The free market on its own doesn’t work, that’s why we have regulation in place to guide it to a place that minimises the long term damage while consumers try to maximise the short-term benefit. It’s an interesting analogy to free speech.

> It’s an interesting analogy to free speech.

I agree, thanks for pointing that out. There are nuances on both sides which make it an interesting thought experiment to apply to the other side.

Re: X users are unable to post “Signal.me” links

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Post by MVissers »

zaik wrote: post #412
_heimdall wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Freedom of speech, at least in the US, is a concern specifically with the government censoring citizens' speech. The Twitter files are a recent example of the government partnering with private corps to censor, so that's a fair argument, but in general a private company can't violate free speech by deciding what kind of content they want allowed. Is it shitty that they censor? Absolutely. But is it a constitutional v…

When Mr. Musk describes X as "the last bastion of free speech" or similar what do you think he refers to?

Not OP but.. He’s full of shit?

You get banned for sharing identities of DOGE people, but Musk can share the name and tax documents of a federal judge.

Hypocrite.

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