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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by ZaoLahma »

t43562 wrote: post #301
michaelt wrote: post #292

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> reducing the 70-odd computers to 3 or so. What are they even counting as a 'computer' to get to 70? I know that in the door there's going to be a microcontroller, to connect the buttons, the lock and the window motor to the CAN bus (or whatever it is they use these days). Is that a computer? Are they proposing to get rid of it?

Ideally yes because if the microcontrollers can be replaced by a central macro-controller computer you can then update it all more easily. You make the whole thing more software defined.

And when that macro controller computer eventually (inevitably?) dies, it will hurt the wallet immensely.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by sevensor »

hagbard_c wrote: post #323
lostlogin wrote: post #188

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They just don’t die. My 16 year old one seemed end of life 10 years ago and when I holed the sump, I was resigned to getting it wrecked. After driving it for a few months it didn’t die so I took it to a mechanic. I got told off for my dry sump technique and told not to do it again. It got a new pan and some oil, that was it. It’s done 5 or so years of light service since. It’s been stolen, carried masses of firewood,…

Next time just glue a piece of aluminium on the inside of the old sump with JB Weld or a similar type of heat-resistant epoxy. Been there done that after my wife holed a few too many sumps by driving her Skoda over overly high obstacles. The first time she did this I could follow her track in the tractor to where she parked the car for me to tow it homes, the other times were out in the bush - she's a veterinarian wh…

Is there anything you can’t fix with JB weld? The stuff is amazing.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by walkingthisquai »

decimalenough wrote: post #367
walkingthisquai wrote: post #331

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He's supporting the AFD in Germany among others. For a 5 min overview see here: https://youtu.be/NjWl_RNDMSA

AFD is indeed a far-right party and the optics of Musk supporting it are to put it mildly bizarre, but it is also one of the largest political parties in Germany, not a "Nazi organization". They advocate halting immigration, not genocide.

Sure, I just wanted to share some info on far-right/neo-nazi related people and orgs that Musk is linked to, as parent didn't seem to be aware.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by ZaoLahma »

michaelt wrote: post #292
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #81

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There was a good (?) video on the subject the other day, it was mainly about Volkswagen / VAG but highlighted the software problem. Cars are / were basically Frankenstein monsters under the hood, with dozens of onboard computers / chips all needing to work independently yet collaboratively and talk to each other. VW set up a new subsidiary and hired 3000 people to build the car software system of the future, reducing…

> reducing the 70-odd computers to 3 or so. What are they even counting as a 'computer' to get to 70? I know that in the door there's going to be a microcontroller, to connect the buttons, the lock and the window motor to the CAN bus (or whatever it is they use these days). Is that a computer? Are they proposing to get rid of it?

> What are they even counting as a 'computer' to get to 70?

When I worked in the industry, we had four different CPUs of different architectures on one small (fit in your hand) circuit board, each running its own software and communicating with each other via buses on the board. This was for controlling one single function in the car.

Strictly speaking, I would say that single circuit board was 4 separate computers. It quickly adds up.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by wesselbindt »

starbugs wrote: post #407
wesselbindt wrote: post #398

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To me it seems like a perfectly sound proxy measure of reliability. Why do you believe otherwise?

Have you ever brought a car through the German TÜV?

I haven't. Could we fast forward to the part where you explain why you think it's not a good proxy measure?

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by [deleted] »

4ndrewl wrote: post #34
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

"Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible.” Agree. OP should have just bought a 10yo Corolla.

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by vel0city »

rightbyte wrote: post #235
voidUpdate wrote: post #226

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If I was to buy a car these days (which I'm not, I don't have nearly enough money for that), I'd want something with as little "computer" in it as possible. Just a box with 4 wheels and an engine, or maybe a battery and a motor, maybe a heater for when it gets a bit cold, and I'll throw a bluetooth speaker in the back seat if I need something to listen to

It feels a bit counterintuitive to go for a Bluetooth speaker over 3.5mm? Your low tech car will feel like a emotional prison. Of all the annoying modernities you want the worst one? If you want to make a deal with the devil I would choose rear camera. Think about it. All the headache and time to pair Bluetooth devices over a dead simple connector. I would aim for a pre 2016 car. I think that has some margin to the I…

> All the headache and time to pair Bluetooth devices over a dead simple connector.

Conversely, I pair my phone once when I get the car and I never need to worry about messing with it again; it's just connected when the car starts. I don't even need to take my device out of my pocket or bag.

On top of that I get hands-free calling if someone calls while I'm driving, I get steering wheel media controls, I get voice controlled media selection (play playlist foo, play artist bar, etc.)

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by coldtea »

gambiting wrote: post #159
coldtea wrote: post #132

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Volvo is owned by a Chinese company these days called Zhejiang Geely

And most cars for their European market are actually made in Sweden. I mean, obviously you're correct, but I don't see the distinction as very helpful - no one is penalizing Land Rover cars for "being Indian" since they are owned by Tata either.

That's because there's no trade war with India yet, and Land Rovers are quite niche. If the US/European car makers felt threatened, they'd do that too...

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Post by ps »

apexalpha wrote: post #418
ps wrote: post #222

I have owned Model S since 2018, now driving my second one (Raven). The first one was just poor manufacturing Tesla has been known for forever. Second one is however the disaster. So many sounds while turning the steering wheel, driving on tiny slopes, braking etc. forced me to convince the service center to replace the suspension, arms & half-shafts (all under warranty). None of these steps helped, service center pr…

>The first one was just poor manufacturing Tesla has been known for forever. Why did you buy a second one??

I am too tall/long legs to feel comfortable in the Model 3, range of 75D was a bit limiting when traveling with family and I couldn't and still cannot imagine driving ICE car again. The manufacturing did not bother me too much in the interior as all cars I ever owned or rented had loose, squeaky plastics, and body panel gaps were tolerable for me.

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Post by the_duke »

karel-3d wrote: post #306
the_duke wrote: post #270

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Biggest life tip: be good friends with a lawyer. You can write up a letter for them and they send it. In many companies anything going through legal is immediately prioritised.

Yeah a good point. I do not know how much would such a thing cost though. But if it's just sending a letter with a lawyer stamp?

That's were the "good friends" part comes in, a dinner invitation every once in a while works for me, but I'm sure you can find a lawyer that charges a small amount for the same thing.
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