Is this something UK demanded, or a FVEY loophole from other partners. Does US still need to fiddle with legal loop holes to surveille on domestic citizens after Cloud?
U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts
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#422Why not just require all data on the icloud be sent to a server all unencrypted? Ain’t no difference. Apple isn’t gonna do it and Trump will tell UK to shove it
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#423What's new here? As mentioned in the article, Salt Typhoon and the recency of this request by the UK. At this point they should know better. My pet theory is anytime the US wants to do something illegal under US law, they simply ask the UK to do it and vice versa. That's why Salt Typhoon isn't and never will be a lesson learned.
It's not a pet theory, it's exactly how the Five-Eyes system is meant to work. I remember when Total Information Awareness was announced and they even had a cool badge designed for the new govt department. It wasn't a popular idea.
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#424Why not just require all data on the icloud be sent to a server all unencrypted? Ain’t no difference. Apple isn’t gonna do it and Trump will tell UK to shove it
surely UK is going to give two shits what Trump says :)
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#425Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the way that the UK has passed laws for a while now, make them so broad that they potentially criminalise everyone, then selectively prosecute. This is a very obvious setup for future totalitarianism. I’m surprised that the British public stands for it, but I guess they must not care.
Brit here. Yeah from my experience people don't care. Hardly anyone gets prosecuted and those who do have often done something bad. Most day to day complaints are they don't prosecute enough, often related to the bastard that snatched your phone. We have approximately zero people sitting in jail for failing to decrypt and similar. >This is a very obvious setup for future totalitarianism. No it really isn't. If they a…
Today, maybe, even so it probably depends on who you ask.
The thing about giving your rights away is that it’s very difficult to get them back, and you never know who “they” are going to be in the future.
Re: U.K. orders Apple to let it spy on users’ encrypted accounts
#426What's new here? As mentioned in the article, Salt Typhoon and the recency of this request by the UK. At this point they should know better. My pet theory is anytime the US wants to do something illegal under US law, they simply ask the UK to do it and vice versa. That's why Salt Typhoon isn't and never will be a lesson learned.
It's not a pet theory, it's exactly how the Five-Eyes system is meant to work. I remember when Total Information Awareness was announced and they even had a cool badge designed for the new govt department. It wasn't a popular idea.
It is a pet theory. It is illegal for the US to access its citizens' and residents' data without a warrant, and asking somebody else to do it doesn't magically make it legal.
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#427Earlier quoted context omitted.
The most horrible part of the discussion we're making is that we're arguing that UK intelligence should be able to access only UK related data, and not that UK intelligence should not undermine privacy of people
The Overton Window has shifted.
The Clipper Chip died a quick death back when the Clinton administration wanted it, as the push back against it was pretty strong. Now? Seems like a matter of time before every form of electronic communication has a dozen different back, side, and front doors into it.
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#428I’d love to see a collection of every attempt to add encryption back doors to apple/iPhone products. It feels like they never stop trying.
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#429Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm still missing how this could be enforced ? By banning Apple from doing business in the UK. The US used a similar strategy decades ago to break Swiss Bank Secrecy laws (either Swiss banks had to give up the info or they were going to be kicked out of the US).
> By banning Apple from doing business in the UK. As someone else here said, Apple would 100% call this bluff. And you can be certain the UK won't have the US to put pressure on Apple for them. All the would happen is the UK Apple users would be with an expensive paperweight.
UK can just start fining apple billions of dollars if they dont want to fully kick them out of the country.
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#430> requires that Apple creates a back door that allows UK security officials unencumbered access to encrypted user data worldwide How could this even be enforced if Apple pulls out cloud services of the UK ? It's such a ridiculous request, the British Intelligence agencies must be bored coming up with new ways to make Apple look good.
MI6 probably gutted the cybersec division. Probably don’t have many viable sploits in their cache against Apple. I suppose this is _good_ but more competent and well funded groups out of Israel, Israeli military complex, Cyprus don’t need to “ask” for a back door.
Cyber-related stuff is GCHQ (black/greyhat) or NCSC (whitehat)