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String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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> any evil one trans person does, is used to stain all trans people. recognize this tendency; don't let this become like blood libel. As a Christian, I can empathize. The wrongs and hypocrisies of so many are heaped on those who have no relation to the actions.

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Don’t police others. It’s bossy.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Most of the news coverage I've seen of this story is omitting what some might consider a relevant detail: almost all the members of this group are trans. This is a divisive topic, but failing to mention this makes me worry a story is pushing a particular agenda rather than trying to tell the facts. Here's what the story looks like if the trans activism is considered central to the story: https://thepostmillennial.com…

> almost all the members of this group are trans. The Zizians.info site (linked by one of the HN posts re: this story) mentions that the Zizians did target people who identified as transgender for indoctrination, so this is not really surprising. People who are undergoing this kind of stress and marginalization may well be more vulnerable to such tactics.

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Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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I follow the thread and can agree in large parts. But given multiple news anchors, news programs, both traditional and online, in combination with social media, content creators and late night TV, I am wholly exhausted by Trump somehow being a magical monster responsible for (just as you’ve demonstrated) in some way every ill in modern society. If he is a narcissist and we are aware narcissists feed on attention and…

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You're beyond reason. Any critic of Trump is immediately "woke" and "virtue signaling".

Don't you care when he threatens war with our allies? When he praises foreign fascists? When he pardoned all Jan 6 rioters, that he previously claimed were all antifa? When he is made above the law by an obviously partisan supreme court? When he passes budgetary laws without congress with no repercussions whatsoever? When he promised that "we won't have to vote ever again"?

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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> My explanation for why Eliezer went from vocal AI optimist to AI pessimist is that he became more knowledgeable about AI. What is your explanation? He spoke to businessmen posing as experts, became increasingly self-referential, and frankly the quasi-religious subtext became text.

Businessmen like Elon and Sam Altman, you mean?

The very ones, both of them had and have every reason to hype AI as much as possible, and still do for that matter. Altman in particular seems to relish the use of the "oh no what I'm making is so scary, it's even scaring me" fundraising method.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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post #322

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> any evil one trans person does, is used to stain all trans people. recognize this tendency; don't let this become like blood libel. As a Christian, I can empathize. The wrongs and hypocrisies of so many are heaped on those who have no relation to the actions.

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Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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it's been an exhausting couple of weeks for me, as a trans person. one executive order after another, explicitly attacking us. scrambling to update all my documents, navigating a Kafkaesque bureaucracy with constantly shifting rules. now this. there are like six Zizians. there are millions of trans people. I'm sure that many of the Zizians being trans says something about the Ziz cult, but Ziz doesn't say anything ab…

I’m not a big George W Bush fan but this quote of his has stuck with me for years: > Too often, we judge other groups by their worst examples while judging ourselves by our best intentions

The more readily a group tries to restrict some behaviours, the more it implicitly endorses behaviours it doesn’t attempt to restrict.

Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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Most of the news coverage I've seen of this story is omitting what some might consider a relevant detail: almost all the members of this group are trans. This is a divisive topic, but failing to mention this makes me worry a story is pushing a particular agenda rather than trying to tell the facts. Here's what the story looks like if the trans activism is considered central to the story: https://thepostmillennial.com…

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Re: String of recent killings linked to Bay Area 'Zizians'

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So, like Hacker News?

Never seen that happen here.

It happens, but in a more subtle way. Usually direct comparison's don't happen, but rather is expected to be inferred by the quality of arguments, whether they can prevail with their line of thinking and so on. In a sense, that variant of 'rationalist' is rather crude in comparison. I am trying to think of an appropriate example, but I am struggling a little.

Make no mistake, there are egos at play here too.

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The guy is passing budgetary laws without congress, has been made untouchable by the supreme court, pardoned the violent Jan 6 rioters (despite claiming to be "pro-order"), constantly scape-goats minorites and leftists, threatens war with allies, colludes with foreign fascists, is doing a thousand illegal sh*t a minute, but somehow this is no big deal and we should just ignore it. Scrutiny and accountability for this…

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Of what exactly? I haven't claimed any conspiracy, that's all stuff Trump bragged about on the news.

Bringing up the "criminality of the Biden family" is a legitimately insane thing to do when defending Trump.

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