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Post by petesergeant »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #346
heelix wrote: post #105

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Our US company sent me to France to help out with an implementation. The guy I worked with spoke very little English and my French is terrible. Both of us had done Latin, however - so the comments were hilarious as we used that as our common link. One of those projects I'd expect to show on the daily WTF at some point. I did try my hand at a translation tool, as it was all i18n up proper. Watched one guy blow coffee…

Isn't it true that schoolboys in many countries would learn Latin 100+ years ago? I suppose it would've been used sometimes in international communication?

It was mandatory at the schools I attended from 7 to 14, which was in the 90s, although this was at what British people call "prep/public schools", a group of a few hundred fancy fee-paying schools. Most people dropped it at 14 (GCSEs), and almost everyone dropped it by 16 (A Levels)

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Post by glowiefedposter »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #385
forgetfulness wrote: post #366

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Your impassionate argument in favor of an ethnic cleansing with bombs, starvation and lack of sanitation lies in stark contrast to this outrage about the Uyghurs' culture being erased with development and draconian imprisonment for suspected extremism, while at the same time, the West Bank was reduced to a patchwork of ghettos with draconian checkpoints where life is cheap if you are suspected to be an extremist. On…

I think you're raising an important point that I acknowledge, and I need to process that more. But my immediate thought is to note that the two situations are very different to me. Uyghurs are indigenous to Xinjiang (more than anyone else), and Islamic Arabs in Gaza or the West Bank are not indigenous to the region around Israel (Jewish people are, while Gaza's residents are outsiders since Islamic Arabs aren't indig…

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Post by pllbnk »

jvansc wrote: post #62

This is probably an incredibly stupid, off-topic question, but why are their database schemas and logs in English? Like, when a DeepSeek dev uses these systems as intended, would they also be seeing the columns, keys, etc. in English? Is there usually a translation step involved? Or do devs around the world just have to bite the bullet and learn enough English to be able to use the majority of tools? I'm realizing no…

I am European, however I have worked with developers from various parts of Asia and South America. English is usually a second language, however most developers are fairly fluent using it as a spoken or written language. Also, most development resources are written in English, so all developers know how to read it. Programming languages and their standard libraries are also written in English. It's the lingua franca worldwide, so we are all happy to use it in the technical context.

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Post by VagabundoP »

jijji wrote: post #353
amlib wrote: post #304

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Sorry for the whataboutism, but the US looks more and more hypocrite when they sell themselves as the paragons of democracy and free trade, ready to save the world from authoritarian China but are fine selling AI and AI hardware (and armament, but that's another matter...) to Israel's oppressive regime which clearly uses it to persecute and kill innocent Palestinians. It's all just dirty politics, in the end none of…

I think the difference in your comment is that China is doing this to their own citizens. Israel is oppressing their enemy, who have voted for Hamas to be the leader of their government, which stated intent is to destroy Israel... Big difference.

How many people alive in Gaza today voted for Hamas?

What an incredibly awful comment to make after so many kids have gotten blown to bits by Israel as some sort of justification.

Same sorts of stuff were said about Irish people during the Troubles btw.

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Post by lawn »

arkh wrote: post #414
lawn wrote: post #381

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As a Swede I sometimes encounter new programmers using Swedish instead of English and it's incredibly jarring. It's a little bit better if only the comments are in Swedish but it's still annoying... Luckily it's very rare.

Until you start working on a code base made for something local only and with domain specific words. So much joy trying to remember how some word was translated for your code when a user reports a bug or ask for some new feature. Bonus point when the people who decided to use English words are also all proud of their "DDD" architecture.

Oh I'm working on a local only project right now and I also feel the pain of badly translated Swedish words. I've spent this week trying to decipher a section of code, trying to map then back to the Swedish concepts.

I've also experienced a similar situation in an English context where the concept is renamed on UI, while everywhere in the code it uses the old name. Then things are starting to mix with each other and then a new concept is introduced with the old name...

Fun times.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #320
amlib wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry for the whataboutism, but the US looks more and more hypocrite when they sell themselves as the paragons of democracy and free trade, ready to save the world from authoritarian China but are fine selling AI and AI hardware (and armament, but that's another matter...) to Israel's oppressive regime which clearly uses it to persecute and kill innocent Palestinians. It's all just dirty politics, in the end none of…

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> but surveys indicated that an overwhelming majority of residents of Gaza supported Hamas even after the mass murder and rape of October 7.

I'm not sure what result you expected. True or not, claims of atrocities committed by your government are always uncertain in practice - people will argue whichever way depending on their goals and beliefs (like we're doing here just now), so even if you believe them, unless you've actually seen them first-hand, they're always somewhat abstract considerations. Meanwhile, the fundamental reality for people in Gaza is that they're being bombed left and right by some outsiders. So when more outsiders come asking them whether they still like their government - government who, other than committing atrocities in what they sell as defensive war, are also responsible for keeping food, water and power flowing while bombs dropped by outsiders keep raining down your streets, does anyone expect majority to say "no, we don't like our government - please keep bombing us until we find a better one"?

I bet if you polled the population of Iraq of Afghanistan in the middle of US invasions of either, you'd get similar results supporting the evil government too.

Dropping ordnance on people has a way of skewing their responses in political polls away from what you'd expect in a stable democracy.

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Post by ninetyninenine »

pjc50 wrote: post #406
ninetyninenine wrote: post #332

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First, we create an AbstractFactory to generate objects that conform to our standardized output structure, ensuring extensibility in case "Hello, World!" ever needs additional variants. The Singleton manages our PrintManager, enforcing a single, controlled point of access to the output stream while Double-Checked Locking ensures thread-safe initialization. Dependency Injection provides our PrintHandler with a flexibl…

This is very much a Java phenomenon. These things do have value .. when correctly applied. But sometimes it's like seeing someone make a gadget with fifty different types of bolts rather than one or two simply because they want to use all the bits of their socket set.

No it’s from a book called design patterns. It forever influenced a huge number of American programmers to think about programming in a very specific way following very specific patterns.

I’m working for a company that’s doing things in typescript using IOC and dependency injection everywhere. It pervades the minds of Americans such that they walk and talk like a parrot parroting that book.

What Americans don’t realize is that those patterns are arbitrarily made up. It’s as arbitrary and localized as the Japanese having to bow for politeness. There’s nothing intrinsically hugely beneficial for following this style. In fact, modern languages push against it. Languages like golang and rust are examples. Even JavaScript was an example although recent es6 syntax makes patterns more easier now

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Post by Etherlord87 »

jvansc wrote: post #62

This is probably an incredibly stupid, off-topic question, but why are their database schemas and logs in English? Like, when a DeepSeek dev uses these systems as intended, would they also be seeing the columns, keys, etc. in English? Is there usually a translation step involved? Or do devs around the world just have to bite the bullet and learn enough English to be able to use the majority of tools? I'm realizing no…

I remember when Adobe Flash Player would report bugs in Polish language, because my Windows was Polish. Googling the bug message was problematic, because most discussion is done in the international, English language. So the next time I was installing Windows, I made sure to choose English as the language. The same goes for browsers and pretty much everything else.

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Post by Etherlord87 »

mr90210 wrote: post #129

Poorly secured or not it still managed to hit your favourite stock. The execs at NVIDIA still haven’t recovered from the bloodbath.

This argument seems fallacious: the stock was "hit" before security issues emerged. It's hard to say how this recent news will affect the stock, directly and indirectly through eventual damage that follows. Imagine that the security issues were 1000 times worse: you could still write the same comment, but the reputation of DeepSeek and by extension all Chinese AI and software would be so badly hurt that long term any Chinese success would be downplayed, having lesser effect on stock market. If Nvidia stock would recover or not is more nuanced, because market is speculative, and if a bubble is burst, even if what pierced it turns out to be fake/irrelevant, the bubble is no longer there (a new one may need a lot of time and effort to grow).
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