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TikTok goes dark in the US
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#422Can someone please explain to me, why it is illegal to publish biased media? Please relate your answer to US native broadcasters like Fox News. The public discourse in the US appears very distorted. The rececently elected legislative heavily tampers with the executive/judicative and somehow this is stil democratic? IMO the tiktok ban is only about media control, no morale or legality, just political power and somehow…
Always surprised me in the land of the "Free" they ban a whole lot more than in most other countries. Books, LGBT stuff, no objective media. It feels quite medieval.
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#423Its kinda morbidly amuzing to ponder what European countries (and others besides the 'quarreling' US/China duo) will do now.
Will they also ban TikTok as a security threat? If not, will they issue a statement contradicting US actions?
If they do, what about US owned platforms that have been known to e.g., interefere with European elections (Facebook / Cambridge Analytica) and (at least) one of the owners openly supports certain type of party across the continent?
What a grotesque theater. How much more hypocricy can the political classes that enabled the wholesale enshittificarion of our digital lives get away with?
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#424I hope trump will reverse this action. I don't want government to decide what I am allowed to watch.
You can get around it right now.
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#425I don't have the app, but from what I can tell, using a VPN doesn't help either. I guess when you downloaded it from the U.S. Android/Apple app stores, it flags you somehow, so a VPN can't help? Dunno, I'm wayyyy out of the loop on all of this.
On mobile the VPN doesn't help. Have to change app store.
On desktop VPN works but you need to create a new account if yours was originally created on the USA servers.
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#426The coverage of TikTok's closure on this site is just sort of tabloid at this point. The culture of HN ceteris paribus hates social media significantly more than the average person. That and its western bias makes questions about the TikTok ban's effects on this site really silly. The folks here are probably some of the most opinionated, least impartial voices to discuss this issue with. A discussion about the ban's…
Some opinions here are super ignorant. Yes Tiktok has lots of silly videos but it also is a way for many talented people to reach their audience. Many small business owners and indie artists depend on it to make a living.
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#427So I used a VPN to go to a different country and... I still get the "Tiktok banned" message, which is a little surprisingly honestly. I guess Tiktok have done this on an account basis rather than strictly GeoIP. The "learn more" link tells you that you can still download your data. I'm not sure how. Website maybe? Because the app only has "learn more" and "close app" as options. Interestingly the fyp still loads and…
VPN works on desktop if you open a new account.
I found another USA refugee on Canadian TikTok who said he just got Apple to change his app store country and it worked after he redownloaded it.
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#428If the problem is China, why wouldn't they ban all apps from China? And what exactly is preventing China to launch a new app withjin hours (that is the point of cloud infras right?) under a new company using tiktok source code and allow easy importation of dumps from tiktok to facilitate their migration and get a head start?
They are "trying" to go for all apps from China. Someone above mentioned Grindr was also targeted.
As for the one's they've missed, typical government incompetence. They have trouble differentiating what is, and is not a "Chinese app".
"And what exactly is preventing China to launch a new app within hours..."
No users. TikTok's massive userbase wasn't created in 7 days.
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#429A point I think most people don’t understand is that the government interest in TikTok has little to do with exploiting user data per se, a lot of other companies do that. The issue is that TikTok is somewhat unique in being aggressively weaponized in currently very active “grey zone” conflicts. This has been an open secret in national security circles but the average person on the street has no idea what a grey zone…
>The issue is that TikTok is somewhat unique in being aggressively weaponized in currently very active “grey zone” conflicts. That has been happening since time immemorial. What is actually the issue is that for the first time ever in the post-WW2 Pax Americana era, media is being weaponized by a powerful non-American state (China). America does through Facebook, Mysterious Twitter X, Reddit, CNN, Fox News, PBS, et a…
According to wikipedia, China is blocking most of the sites you mentioned. I was surprised to see that Russia does not.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_i...
Re: TikTok goes dark in the US
#430Can someone please explain to me, why it is illegal to publish biased media? Please relate your answer to US native broadcasters like Fox News. The public discourse in the US appears very distorted. The rececently elected legislative heavily tampers with the executive/judicative and somehow this is stil democratic? IMO the tiktok ban is only about media control, no morale or legality, just political power and somehow…
> Can someone please explain to me, why it is illegal to publish biased media?
You have been misinformed, it is not illegal to publish biased media.
> The rececently elected legislative heavily tampers with the executive/judicative and somehow this is stil democratic.
What are you trying to say? The majority passes something, and the Supreme Court chose to allow it to continue.
> IMO the tiktok ban is only about media control, no morale or legality, just political power and somehow there is still free speech for all?
You're right that it's about media control, namely a foreign adversary being able to completely control media widely consumed in the United States. Framing a content-neutral conditional ban, which could've been avoided without any content changes, as being against "free speech" makes zero sense when the platform being banned is controlled by a foreign adversary that doesn't have free speech. The argument is that a foreign adversary shouldn't be allowed to censor and manipulate our media and farm our data.