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Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by throwaway81348 »

iwontberude wrote: post #392
dabinat wrote: post #380

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This is the #1 reason why I haven’t upgraded my 2080 Ti. Using my laser printer while my computer is on (even if it’s idle) already makes my UPS freak out. But NVIDIA is claiming that the 5070 is equivalent to the 4090, so maybe they’re expecting you to wait a generation and get the lower card if you care about TDP? Although I suspect that equivalence only applies to gaming; probably for ML you’d still need the highe…

That’s because you have a Brother laser printer which charges its capacitors in the least graceful way possible.

Please expand, I am intrigued!

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Post by cptcobalt »

KMnO4 wrote: post #174
ryao wrote: post #97

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If I recall correctly, the 3090, 3090 Ti and 4090 were supposed to replace the Titan cards that had been Nvidia's top gaming cards, but were never meant for gaming.

Someone very clever at Nvidia realized that if they rename their professional card (Titan) to be part of their "gaming" line, you can convince adults with too much disposable income that they need it to play Elden Ring. I didn't know of anyone who used the Titan cards (which were actually priced cheaper than their respective xx90 cards at release) for gaming, but somehow people were happy spending >$2000 when the 309…

As an adult with too much disposable income and a 3090, it just becomes a local LLM server w/ agents when I'm not playing games on it. Didn't even see the potential for it back then, but now I'm convinced that the xx90 series offers me value outside of just gaming uses.

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Post by alyandon »

epolanski wrote: post #353
marricks wrote: post #347

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I got into desktop gaming at the 970 and the common wisdom (to me at least, maybe I was silly) was I could get away with a lower wattage power supply and use it in future generations cause everything would keep getting more efficient. Hah...

Yeah, do like me, I lower settings from "ultra hardcore" to "high" and keep living fine on a 3060 at 1440p for another few gens. I'm not buying GPUs that expensive nor energy consuming, no chance. In any case I think Maxwell/Pascal efficiency won't be seen anymore, with those RT cores you get more energy draw, can't get around that.

I'm generally a 1080p@60hz gamer and my 3060 Ti is overpowered for a lot of the games I play. However, there are an increasing number of titles being released over the past couple of years where even on medium settings the card struggles to keep a consistent 60 fps frame rate.

I've wanted to upgrade but overall I'm more concerned about power consumption than raw total performance and each successive generation of GPUs from nVidia seems to be going the wrong direction.

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Post by CobaltFire »

philjohn wrote: post #400
CobaltFire wrote: post #365

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Honestly my water cooled 3080TI FE has been great. Wish it had more VRAM for VR (DCS, MSFS) but otherwise it’s been great.

Which block did you go with? I went with the EK Vector special edition which has been great, but need to look for something else if I upgrade to 5080 with their recent woes.

I just have the Alphacool AIO with a second 360 radiator.

I’ve done tons of custom stuff but was at a point where I didn’t have the time for a custom loop. Just wanted plug and play.

Seen some people talking down the block, but honestly I run 50c under saturated load at 400 watts, +225 core, +600 memory with a hot spot of 60c and VRAM of 62c. Not amazing but it’s not holding the card back. That’s with the Phanteks T30’s at about 1200RPM.

Stock cooler I could never get the card stable despite new pads and paste. I was running 280 watts, barely able to run -50 on the core and no offset on memory. That would STILL hit 85c core, 95c hotspot and memory.

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Post by ryao »

perching_aix wrote: post #120
dagmx wrote: post #48

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It’s 3 extrapolated frames not interpolated. So would be reduced lag at the expense of greater pop-in. There’s also the new reflex 2 which uses reprojection based on mouse motion to generate frames that should also help, but likely has the same drawback.

> It’s 3 extrapolated frames not interpolated. Do you have a source for this? Doesn't sound like a very good idea. Nor do I think there's additional latency mind you, but not because it's not interpolation.

Jensen Huang said during his keynote that you get 3 AI generated frames when rendering a native frame.

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Post by wkat4242 »

jbarrow wrote: post #288

The increasing TDP trend is going crazy for the top-tier consumer cards: 3090 - 350W 3090 Ti - 450W 4090 - 450W 5090 - 575W 3x3090 (1050W) is less than 2x5090 (1150W), plus you get 72GB of VRAM instead of 64GB, if you can find a motherboard that supports 3 massive cards or good enough risers (apparently near impossible?).

Yes but the memory bandwidth of the 5090 is insanely high

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Post by chmod775 »

edm0nd wrote: post #391
chmod775 wrote: post #281

> will be two times faster [...] thanks to DLSS 4 Translation: No significant actual upgrade. Sounds like we're continuing the trend of newer generations being beaten on fps/$ by the previous generations while hardly pushing the envelope at the top end. A 3090 is $1000 right now.

>A 3090 is $1000 right now. Not really worth it if you can get a 5090 for $1,999

Saving $1000 for only a ~25-30% hit in rasterization perf is going to be worth it for a lot of people.

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Post by ryao »

kllrnohj wrote: post #155
dagmx wrote: post #48

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It’s 3 extrapolated frames not interpolated. So would be reduced lag at the expense of greater pop-in. There’s also the new reflex 2 which uses reprojection based on mouse motion to generate frames that should also help, but likely has the same drawback.

> It’s 3 extrapolated frames not interpolated. So would be reduced lag at the expense of greater pop-in. it's certainly not reduced lag relative to native rendering. It might be reduced relative to dlss3 frame gen though.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42623153

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Post by ryao »

geertj wrote: post #254
jmuguy wrote: post #219

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Do you live somewhat near a Microcenter? They'll likely have these as in-store pick up only, no online reservations, 1 per customer. Recently got a 9800X3D CPU from them, its nice they're trying to prevent scalping.

I do! Great advice. Going off on a tangent, when I recently visited my Microcenter after a few years of not going there, it totally gave me 80s vibes and I loved it. Staff fit the "computer nerd" stereotype accurately, including jeans shirts and ponytails. And best of all they actually wanted to talk to me and help me find stuff, and were knowledgeable.

I had a similar feeling when going to microcenter for the first time in years a few years ago, but in my case, it was a 90s vibe since I had first visited a computer store in the 90s.

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Post by nullandvoid »

williamDafoe wrote: post #395
nullandvoid wrote: post #176

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Many people are running 4k resolution now, and a 4080 struggles to to break 100 frames in many current games maxed (never-mind future titles) - therefore there's plenty of a market with gamers and the 5x series (myself included) who are looking for closer to 4090 performance at a non obscene price.

This is just absolutely false, Steam says that 4.21% of users play at 4K. The number of users that play at higher than 1440p is only 10.61%. So you are wrong, simply wrong.

Did I say all the people, or did I say many people?..

Why are you so hostile? I'm not justifying the cost, I'm simply in the 4k market and replying to OP's statement "Any modern card under $1000 is more than enough for graphics in virtually all games" which is objectively false if you're a 4k user.

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