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Maybe. Used vs new cars have vastly different costs. Generally tolls are far more than fuel cost where they exist. Insurance is - in the us - charged per year with unlimited use. there are some who the charge would be significant (long paid off reliable used car) while others who it is a drop compared to the othes costs (new luxury car)

True, there’s a lot of room to optimize costs. For example the congestion tax costs can be reduced to 0 by avoiding areas it targets. And that’s not even tongue in cheek, one could commute to the edge of the city and take public transport for example.

That is the goal of course. The open question (though we will know in a year) is will they. Or will they just reduce something else from their budget to pay these tolls? If only a handful of people change their behavior this failed (though the extra money to transit may result in useful service expansions for someone else who isn't driving now). If thousands change their behavior it was a success.

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https://www.wired.com/story/99-phones-fake-google-maps-traff...

It's a neat little project but people aren't doing that on the regular so the data should be pretty good.

I do wonder how google handles edge cases, passengers, busses, etc. I've been in rideshares where the driver is using 4 phones - https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/business/apps-uber-lyft-d...

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Whether it's the government or corporations, big organizations are the problem. We need a small business revolution in this country. Side note: An economy made up of small businesses was Adam Smith's original vision (the godfather of capitalism). He also hated the idea of a corporation. What we have today really is very far from Adam Smith capitalism.

Surprised that on a forum for startups , this comment is the most downvoted. Have we lost all self-awareness?

The VC-funded startup model is predicated on becoming a large business, not staying a small one.

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1. The data is obviously flawed, but if there's anything to speculate from it, it's that the actual congestion in lower Manhattan isn't affected that much.

2. So the success of this policy really depends on how much additional revenue it's bringing in for the city and the MTA. The $9 increase needs to significantly offset the loss in toll revenue from the decrease in drivers.

3. There are so many other simple policies that would benefit quality of life in NYC:

- Daylighting — Don't allow cars and trucks to park at the corners of intersections. Huge safety benefits.

- Metered parking everywhere. Why is NYC giving away the most valuable real estate in the world for free? Would be a huge revenue stream while discouraging car ownership in Manhattan.

- Close more streets to car traffic. This is already true on 14th street and it's fantastic. Close Houston, 34th, 42nd, 59th, 125th. This would make buses much more efficient and further discourage passenger car usage

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1. The data is obviously flawed, but if there's anything to speculate from it, it's that the actual congestion in lower Manhattan isn't affected that much. 2. So the success of this policy really depends on how much additional revenue it's bringing in for the city and the MTA. The $9 increase needs to significantly offset the loss in toll revenue from the decrease in drivers. 3. There are so many other simple policie…

> So the success of this policy really depends on how much additional revenue it's bringing in for the city and the MTA.

I thought the point of the policy is to get people to use the train instead of cars, freeing up the roads for people that actually need it?

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There are like 400 housing developments in NYC for lower income folks. Saying that lower income folks don't drive in NYC is bananas.

How does "housing" relate to "cars"? They seem like completely separate things?

People in houses can have cars. In fact, ~30% of people entering Manhattan a day are lower income.

More specifically, lower income housing is often very far from subway stops. Often in outer boroughs!

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There are like 400 housing developments in NYC for lower income folks. Saying that lower income folks don't drive in NYC is bananas.

> There are like 400 housing developments in NYC for lower income folks. Saying that lower income folks don't drive in NYC is bananas. They’re not paying this.

On the contrary, they are! ~30% of people entering Manhattan a day are lower income!

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Private passenger car driver is paying 12x Taxi toll / 6x Uber toll. Taxi/Uber toll is passed directly onto he rider. Why should it be cheaper to be chauffeured? Also your average Taxi may not even cross into the CPZ 12x per day, so unclear we are making it up on volume either.

Small correction, every ride that starts and/or ends in the zone incurs the fee so a taxi that enters, does 12 trips, then leaves pays the same amount as a private car even though they only entered the zone once.

That's great, but it's still too cheap

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All studies show that free public transit is a bad idea. There is a reason no country provides it. People mis-treat free things. When you ask them to pay for it, it enforces civic contracts. With contactless terminals in place, a free MTA benefits no one. It's also difficult to get additional funding to improve something that's free. An MTA monthly pass is 130$. That's the price of a single uber round-trip to JFK. NY…

> There is a reason no country provides it. While small, Luxembourg is still considered a country. And their public transit is both free, and fantastic

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The branding of congestion pricing has been so disastrous. It could have been separated into two very normal things: tolls and parking fees. Every city has those. NYC could have played with those knobs until they got mostly the same effect but there would have never been any nonsense about it being illegal or unconstitutional or whatever car advocates are saying. Even if this works, it will always be hated and fought…

Yes, unlike congestion pricing, New Yorkers love increased tolls and paying even more for parking than they did last year.
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