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Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by Zambyte »

jeroenhd wrote: post #108
dsr_ wrote: post #16

>“you’re telling me there’s a @choldgraf@hachyderm.io and a @choldgraf@mastodon.social and they’re two different people?!” Yes, and choldgraf@gmail.com and choldgraf@ibm.com are different email-people, too. This is not a hard concept.

You'll be surprised how many people think they can just use first.lastname@gmail.com and have email magically appear in their account. And even more people have no idea what the @gmail.com/@ibm.com is about. All they know is that some of their emails don't reach their contacts, probably because "the computer broke again". It's not a hard concept, but it's a concept that was only ever explained in school to a sliver o…

> I don't know any good solutions to this problem, but that doesn't make the problem go away.

Abandoning the concept of celebreties and instead using social media for social interactions with people who you can "validate" their identity by walking over to them and asking them for their ID.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by Amezarak »

_djo_ wrote: post #355
cglong wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I keep seeing people say BlueSky should be a paid service, but X gets mocked ruthlessly for this.

You're misunderstanding why it gets mocked. Twitter launched a paid tier, Twitter Blue, before the Musk takeover. It was a sensible move, offering additional features such as edit functionality for power users, but not harming the experience for those who chose not to buy into it. Most importantly, it was entirely separate to the use of blue ticks to denote verified and authentic accounts. In fact, there was as far a…

> Most importantly, it was entirely separate to the use of blue ticks to denote verified and authentic accounts

Blue ticks had nothing to do with being "verified" or "authentic." They were handed out randomly to some celebrities. bigcorps, and friends of Twitter employees. As far as I know a bluecheck was never handed out to anyone who wasn't who they said they were (although you could get them under pseudonyms too), but the "wrong" celebrities or normal people could not get them. It was a mark of social cachet, not authenticity.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by dsr_ »

stavros wrote: post #77
igravious wrote: post #57

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they may be confused by it yet it is not a hard concept

People being confused by a concept is the definition of it being hard.

Anglophones are often confused by the concept of tone being used to differentiate words in many non-European languages.

But it's not a hard concept, it's just unfamiliar to them.

People being confused by a concept after it has been taught to them suggests that either the concept is hard or the educational process inadequate. Confusion on initial introduction has nothing to do with difficulty.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by glenstein »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #48
brightball wrote: post #34

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IMO Mastodon is the only real place for a truly decentralized option. BlueSky became immediately political in its narrative and many people just view it in the same light as Truth Social now. It has a future, but the branding in very tainted.

If you think BlueSky is political, Mastodon is worse. Mastodon ends up creating significant echo chambers where admins ban communication with other instances for having people with different opinions to them (rather than just delisting in the public feed) and on can ban you and stop you moving your data to another instance. On Mastodon, admins can also be pressured into banning users by other admins under fear of hav…

>Mastodon ends up creating significant echo chambers where admins ban communication with other instances for having people with different opinions to them

The echo chamber argument itself is a politicized argument that I think fundamentally misunderstands why communities converging on common values can be beneficial rather than simply echoing.

If people are interested in astronomy, or tech security, or FOSS, or politics, weeding the garden leads to more dynamic, diverse and nuanced communication, not less, and the diagnosis of such things as "echo chambers" is a shallow misdiagnosis. Opening up your garden to weeds kills everything and leads to takeover of the one dominant kind of weed that already dominates everywhere else, which is more echoey.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

fossislife wrote: post #411
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #361

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I don't know how reliable a source daily dot is, but [their report]( https://www.dailydot.com/debug/bluesky-ban-laura-loomer-catt... ) says that is untrue.

That Dailydot article is from November 14 2024 and says those were fake accounts. But apparently she really did create an account, yesterday, and says to have been immediately banned, without posting anything: https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1873542021715243076

I see. Having looked into this some more, I honestly think she's an outlier. I'm not familiar with her work, but she seems to make money by being banned from places, using the "most banned woman" label as a badge of honour. Still, would be interesting to get Bluesky's take on this, and some more unbiased detail from somewhere.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by [deleted] »

BeetleB wrote: post #218
aftbit wrote: post #204

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>mastodon.art is a safe space instance So don't join them if you don't want to be coddled. Anyone who does wants to engage with a different slice of the fediverse, and why do you care if they don't see you?

I'm not sure what this has to do with my comment or the one I was replying to.

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Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by dghughes »

jeroenhd wrote: post #108
dsr_ wrote: post #16

>“you’re telling me there’s a @choldgraf@hachyderm.io and a @choldgraf@mastodon.social and they’re two different people?!” Yes, and choldgraf@gmail.com and choldgraf@ibm.com are different email-people, too. This is not a hard concept.

You'll be surprised how many people think they can just use first.lastname@gmail.com and have email magically appear in their account. And even more people have no idea what the @gmail.com/@ibm.com is about. All they know is that some of their emails don't reach their contacts, probably because "the computer broke again". It's not a hard concept, but it's a concept that was only ever explained in school to a sliver o…

> You'll be surprised how many people think they can just use first.lastname@gmail.com and have email magically appear in their account.

I get a pile of junk from people who assume they can do that. I guess I have a lot of stupid distant relatives. It was the same for Hotmail too I got so many hotel receipts, or resume replies etc. one went on for decade or more. Yes you can reply back "no this is wrong" but nobody listens.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by GlacierFox »

ggm wrote: post #284
GlacierFox wrote: post #76

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That's my biggest issue with it. I didn't even have twitter to begin with, but after trying out Bluesky I've barely had the patience to use it. Most people on there seem to be ultra-left wing virtue signalling phychopaths. It's obnoxiously progressive with no space for nuanced thought.

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Awesome, as usual, put me in that box with all the right wingers. Is there space for a normal liberal nowadays or do I have to fully subscribe to this modern day lunacy? Suppose I better fall in line then. Thanks for the help!

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by Zambyte »

BeetleB wrote: post #186
dsr_ wrote: post #16

>“you’re telling me there’s a @choldgraf@hachyderm.io and a @choldgraf@mastodon.social and they’re two different people?!” Yes, and choldgraf@gmail.com and choldgraf@ibm.com are different email-people, too. This is not a hard concept.

This was the weakest point of the whole article, particularly because Mastodon and Bluesky are identical in this respect. The reason he doesn't realize it is that almost everyone is on the same instance. So yes, you will have: @stephenking.bsky.social and @stephenking.bsky.otherinstance Unless Bluesky remains a single server, in which case it's not at all decentralized.

Small nitpick, the domain name used for a ATProto identity is decoupled from the server that hosts that users data. A username is established on ATProto by creating a TXT record of the users DID (essentially a public key). This is not identical to ActivityPub, because the users data is hosted / managed by the server that the A/AAAA record points to. ATProto users can migrate their data from server to server while maintaining the same username. ActivityPub users cannot.

Also, Bluesky is a centralized view of the data in the decentralized ATProto network. This means you will never end up having the problem where searching for a user on one instance will not show up because they are on another instance that they have not federated with. There are obviously tradeoffs with this, but IMO they do seem sensible. The nice thing about Bluesky is not that it is decentralized (it's not), it's that the data that it let's users interface with is decentralized, and if something goes south with Bluesky, another application can be built on the same data and users can migrate without starting from square one.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Post by baggachipz »

dom96 wrote: post #400
tqwhite wrote: post #238

I am a huge BLuesky fan. I have switched my entire social experience to it. I get good engagement, mostly with seemingly decent people. I almost always can find interesting things to read. I have moderated the shit out of my feed. I rarely see things I do not want to (I had to give up politics and current events after the election). I use the list feature to curate separate feeds for different topics (music, programm…

I have stayed away from it for a while, but after my partner switched over to it I decided to delve deeper into it. The openess of Bluesky to developers is a breath of fresh air and the platform itself has some really great features. So I guess you can say I'm a fan now too. I was also able to create an app on Bluesky that grew to 15k users in less than a month[1]. The Bluesky team was really open to helping me with…

I don't know how long you've been in the space, so forgive me if I seem condescending. Twitter and Facebook used to be extremely open and encouraging to developers. That's how they gained prominence, by allowing... nay, incentivizing developers to use their platform. Once they hit critical mass, that was all unceremoniously ripped away.

Assuming a for-profit venture like Bluesky gains critical mass, it will absolutely happen again.

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