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Google's Results Are Infested, Open AI Is Using Their Playbook from the 2000s

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Post by powtain-gen1 »

potsandpans wrote: post #42

Just sharing an anecdote: I was searching for a quote that I'd heard in an audiobook the other day. I just had the general paraphrase, and didn't feel like scanning through the chapters to go find it. This was a somewhat obscure source. Google had just straight garbage for me. The quote was political in nature, and I felt like the results were fighting general tone-policing filters and were tuned for recent events. o…

Please refer to the thoughts of Google's former CEO: AI can create deadly viruses!

https://powtain.com/pow/Ox2zJL

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Post by bhhaskin »

robertlagrant wrote: post #420
potsandpans wrote: post #42

Just sharing an anecdote: I was searching for a quote that I'd heard in an audiobook the other day. I just had the general paraphrase, and didn't feel like scanning through the chapters to go find it. This was a somewhat obscure source. Google had just straight garbage for me. The quote was political in nature, and I felt like the results were fighting general tone-policing filters and were tuned for recent events. o…

We did some Christmas quiz and as asked ChatGPT one of the answers, as the magazine had missed printing some of the answers by accident. It was to do with a song used as a theme to a sitcom, and it changed the name of the song in the first answer, then it changed the name of the song and the sitcom on the second, and I forget what the third one did. Then I Googled it and got my answer straight away.

That's the biggest issue with LLM searching. I cannot trust the answers. Search engines aren't much better, but at least I can check different sources. And to be fair search engines where never meant to be answer machines.

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Post by robertlagrant »

simonh wrote: post #330
lostlogin wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn’t make sense - a sick patient costs the shareholders money.

Only if you treat the patient. Cures cost money to administer. Better to just deny cover in the first place.

That's got nothing to do with cures. In that world administering a cure would be cheaper than treating a chronic illness, which is the opposite of what's being said.

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Post by nickpsecurity »

paradox460 wrote: post #365
pembrook wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s so much low effort, low hanging fruit that Google could do to improve results, that I just assume they've realized those things are unprofitable for them. I mean just de-ranking any article with an affiliate link alone would skyrocket the relevance of what content you surface on search. The problem for Google is, they’re incentivized to make the results worse than the SERP ads. If the organic results are too…

It's intentional. https://www.wheresyoured.at/the-men-who-killed-google/ Traditional search still works. Ask anyone who uses kagi. Google makes more money (for now) with garbage search, so they're optimizing for garbage. Thing is, garbage in, garage out, and it will eventually catch up with them (might already have given the disparity between Gemini and Claude/cgpt)

They have paid search, too, which might filter (or mark) the garbage. It required knowing how more of their stack works than I wanted to learn. I couldn’t find any docs to fix the problem I had. So, I ended up using SerpStack (IIRC) with custom rendering which worked well.

That said, is anyone using the Google Search API to try to cut out a lot of the junk the author is talking about? How well has that worked?

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Post by scarface_74 »

GiorgioG wrote: post #406
JustExAWS wrote: post #403

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a “plug in” built into the paid version of ChatGPT, run by default and created by OpenAI. This isn’t a third party obscure plug in. All “tools” use a plug in architecture

You're a troll, and I'm done feeding you.

What part is “trolling”? Paid users have been able to use ChatGPT using the built in web browsing plug in for over a year just by saying “please provide citations” or “verify that”.

What you say has been around for a few weeks has literally been around for paid users for over a year

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Post by AlexandrB »

karaterobot wrote: post #120

What is the current status of SEO weasels trying to poison AI data by stuffing it with spam?

What do you think is the endgame of AI monetization other than marketing/spam in the AI output? Whether the SEO weasels get there before OpenAI themselves is largely irrelevant.

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Post by Mistletoe »

glenstein wrote: post #402
bambax wrote: post #45

> Does ChatGPT Search have trust? Open AI isn't monetizing its search just yet, but AI has its own issues with hallucinations. Everywhere where SEO people congregate, they talk only about this: how to produce content that will eventually end up in training data for LLMs, so that when you ask about anything remotely connected to a given brand, its products will show up in the response. Ads are bad enough today, but it…

>Ads are bad enough today, but it's possible the future will be worse: product placement in everything, everywhere, all of the time. Right, and it could be that a measurable criteria to optimize for will be the path finding from prompts to naturalistic conversations that mention products or even that reinforce consumerist thought patterns and consumerist self perception.

Suddenly your "friend" starts recommending Coke or talking about it. But your friend is the AI now because everyone is lonely and living in their Death Stranding cells.

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Post by all2 »

virtue3 wrote: post #399
phil21 wrote: post #384

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This is great, never thought to use ChatGPT for this use. I have been trying to remember a game from extremely early memories where I was able to play it for a single weekend at an uncle's house in my youth when my parents were out of town. Bugged me on and off for the better part of a decade and I couldn't figure it out from describing it to google - the only thing I knew for sure were a few graphical UI screens sea…

masters of orion was fantastic! MoO 2 is considered the best, III was a bit odd, the new one isn't bad apparently, gonna try it out. Thanks for bringing that up.

I dumped thousands of hours into Moo 2. Great game. I haven't touched it in years.

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

jeffbee wrote: post #20
KaiserPro wrote: post #9

chatGPT offers bullshit answers faster, and more confidently. However the issue for openAI is the cost of business is _horrifically_ expensive. Sure they charge some users for premium access, but they aren't currently enough to cover costs. openAI needs a step change in performance, and that meta doesn't release an open-source version of it and a step change in compute efficiency.

Is it faster? I just did similar queries to the ones in the article and ChatGPT (web) spent a long time with an animated "Searching the web" placeholder, then served an error.

jeffbee - this is an unrelated comment because I need to follow up with you on a comment you made (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41873615) a couple of months ago. Could you reach out via email to paul@linuxaudiosystems.com ? Thanks. I'll delete this comment in 24 hrs.
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