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Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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Why not? A fast piece of metal is different from a slow piece of metal, from a legal perspective. You can't just say that "this really bad thing that causes a lot of problems is just like this not so bad thing that haven't caused any problem, only more so". Or at least it's not a correct argument. When it is the scale that causes the harm, stating that the harmful thing is the same as the harmless except the scale, i…

>> A fast piece of metal is different from a slow piece of metal, from a legal perspective. I’d like to hear more about this legal distinction because it’s not one I’ve ever heard of before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States

Re: OpenAI whistleblower found dead in San Francisco apartment

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There are some pretty callous comments on this thread. This is really sad. Suchir was just 26, and graduated from Berkeley 3 years ago. Here’s his personal site: https://suchir.net/ . I think he was pretty brave for standing up against what is generally perceived as an injustice being done by one of the biggest companies in the world, just a few years out of college. I’m not sure how many people in his position would…

If I die in the midst of whistleblowing, I hereby give permission for everyone to not ignore that fact.

Sure seems like this is happening more frequently, eg with the Boeing guy. So it’s reasonable to ask why.

If you look at Aaron Schwartz for example you see they don’t have to assassinate you, they just have so many lawyers, making so many threats, with so much money/power behind them, people feel scared and powerless.

I don’t think OpenAI called in a hit job, but I think they spent millions of dollars to drive him into financial and emotional desperation - which in our system, is legal.

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Right, so given the paradox, consider both possibilities rather then dismiss one like the parent is implying here.

I've considered the probabilities of both and find one to be far more likely.

What a useless answer. I considered whether your answer was influenced by mental deficiency and bias and I considered one possibility to be more likely then the other.

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>> A fast piece of metal is different from a slow piece of metal, from a legal perspective. I’d like to hear more about this legal distinction because it’s not one I’ve ever heard of before.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States

So there isn’t a legal distinction regarding fast/slow metal after all. Well that revelation certainly makes me question your legal analysis about copyright.

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what twigs me about the argument against fair use (whereby AI ostensibly "replicates" the content competitively against the original) is that it assumes a model trained on journalism produces journalism or is designed to produce it. the argument against that stance would be easy to make.

The model isn't trained on journalism only, you can't even isolate its training like that. It's trained on human writing in general and across specialties, and it's designed to compete with humans on what humans do with text , of which journalism is merely a tiny special case. I think the only principle positions to be had here is to either ignore IP rights for LLM training, or give up entirely, because a model desig…

the analogy in the anti-fair-use argument is that if I am the WSJ, and you are a reader and investor who reads my newspaper, and then you go on to make a billion dollars in profitable trades, somehow I as the publisher am entitled to some equity or compensation for your use of my journalism.

That argument is equally absurd as one where you write a program that does the same thing. Model training is not only fair use, but publishers should be grateful someone has done something of value for humanity with their collected drivelings.

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Good lord, what an atrocious Gish gallop of selective quotes and evidence. This might be one of the worst displays of sharpshooter logic I've ever seen. AND it features a quote from William Pierce, an infamous neo-Nazi. Probably more, but I gave up after the umpteenth unverifiable quote. Just goes to show how much modern right-wing propaganda aligns with traditional neo-Nazi propaganda.

"Upper echelon", "the rich and powerful", all some thin-veiled euphemisms for jews, among the antisemitic circles. The US just needs to accept that it has it's own nobility again, money aristocracy.

You've been downvoted to death, but you are correct. The types of conspiracy theories typical of those who believe in the "Zionist Occupation Government" have tremendous parallels with theories like Pizzagate and, as in this case, the conspiracy theories around the Clintons.

I say this as someone who both detests the Clintons (and their ilk) and thinks the timing of this suicide is a bit fishy.

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Right, so given the paradox, consider both possibilities rather then dismiss one like the parent is implying here.

Or you could just look at the facts of the case (currently: no foul play suspected). Are the cops in on it? The morgue? The local city? How high does this go? This isn't something which happened in isolation. This isn't "someone died". It's "someone died, and dozens of people are going to sign off that this obviously not a suicide was definitely a suicide". Like, is that possible? Can you fake a suicide and leave no…

Why did you have to make it go in the direction of conspiracy theory? Of course not.

An assassination that looks like a suicide but isn’t is extremely possible. You don't have enough details from the article to make a call on this.

> You're acting like it's a binary choice of probabilities but it isn't.

It is a binary choice because that’s typically how the question is formulated in the process of the scientific method. Was it suicide or was it not a suicide? Binary. Once that question is analyzed you can dig deeper into was it an assassination or was it not? Essentially two binary questions are needed to cover every possibility here and to encompass suicide and assassination.

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No. Anytime someone potentially possesses information that is damning to a company and that person is killed… the low probability of such an even being a random coincidence is quite low. It is so low such that it is extremely reasonable to consider the potential for an actual assassination while not precluding that a coincidence is a possibility.

I've listened to many comments here on some of these, saying it must be assassination "because the person insisted, "If I'm ever found dead, it's not suicide!"." This is sometimes despite extensive mental health history. Entirely possible. But in my career as a paramedic, I've (sadly) lost count of the number of mental health patients who have said, "Yeah, that was just a glitch, I'm not suicidal, not now/nor then."…

Right. It could be but it could not be. Your paramedic knowledge makes sense and you’ve rightly stated that the assassination theory is a possibility.
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