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What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by warner25 »

rozap wrote: post #255
senderista wrote: post #119

Some perspective: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/insurance-companies-arent-the-...

Kind of a silly take in my opinion. While it's may be true that the majority of money in a medical transaction (which is inflated) doesn't go to the insurer, it goes to the provider, it doesn't change the fact that "insurers" absolutely add a layer of uncertainty to the process. In times of uncertainty (ie: getting sick) anything that adds uncertainty will rightfully be hated. In Canada, their system has a number of…

I think most of what you said is on the mark, but the core problem is still what the providers are charging. I wouldn't worry so much about in/out-of-network or claim denials, and might not even worry about having insurance coverage at all, if: a 90-minute ER visit (even for a false alarm) didn't cost $10k; or if one night in the hospital (just for observation and a couple blood tests) didn't cost $50k; or if anything actually serious didn't cost hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars.

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Post by burningChrome »

sfryxell wrote: post #287

Maaaan, The NYPD will take credit for oxygen. Right now their talking like they solved it. a "combination of old-school detective work and new age technology" it was an employee at McDonalds. McDonalds solved this crime. Like god intended.

Does it matter?

The point is, the NYPD was compiling evidence for the media to release. Part of that evidence nobody had included:

- the original surveillance video of the murder

- the video capture of him at the hostel (with his mask down)

- the video capture of him inside the cab after the murder with his mask

Without a decent photo, he probably would still be on the run. Had it not been for the NYPD releasing the images of him, the patron or employee would not have recognized him and called the cops.

The cops were closing in on him regardless. The photos being so widely circulated were a primary reason he got caught. He was probably forced to try and wear a mask to conceal his identity, but at the same time, doing so made me stick out enough that they called the cops.

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Post by pmontra »

breadwinner wrote: post #44

He was carrying all of the evidence with him, including the fake ID he used at the hostel, the gun & suppressor, mask, and even a handwritten manifesto that points to his motivation. It seems he wanted to be found.

If this is a vendetta, the goal was achieved and there was nothing more to do. He had to give himself two goals, the vendetta and not get caught, which is more difficult than one goal. A hired killer would pursue both goals routinely as a mean to stay in business but not an amateur and anyway not as effectively.

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Post by shiroiushi »

breadwinner wrote: post #328
Miner49er wrote: post #65

Might be fake, but looks like he may have had a dead man's switch upload a YouTube video: https://youtu.be/bdhs9g3Wwg0

Confirmed as fake. CNN reports: "YouTube on Monday removed three channels belonging to Luigi Mangione, the suspect in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, as well as a channel that was altered Monday to look as if it belonged to him..." "... channel was removed for violating YouTube’s impersonation policies, after the channel name and handle were updated on Monday following news of Mangione’s arrest to…

>the channel name and handle were updated on Monday following news of Mangione’s arrest to appear as if it belonged to the suspect. That channel on Monday posted a cryptic countdown video that said, “If you see this, I’m already under arrest.”

I guess that's one way to get a LOT of clicks on your account.

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Post by adamc »

Dem_Boys wrote: post #390
matrix87 wrote: post #368

I don't know if this has been posted already, but here is his manifesto https://archive.is/2024.12.09-230659/https://breloomlegacy.s... Sounds like both he and his mother were suffering from chronic pain and UHC dicked them around and refused to act in good faith

He would be awaken in the night to his mother screaming in pain while United healthcare denied claims and refused new treatment. She had severe neuropathy. Holy shit this would leave a scar on anyone. I couldn't even imagine the emotional pain this causes. Not saying this justifies murder but what would you do if a close loved one was screaming in agony daily and there's nothing you can do about it because the insura…

A good lawyer might argue insanity from that. You never know what the jury will buy. Insurance companies are not loved.

I agree that murder is not a solution, but the reality is that we need a real health care system.

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Post by shiroiushi »

hi41 wrote: post #252

It’s one thing to be upset and angry about capitalism and businesses. How does a person go from there to being able to commit premeditated murder because it means seeing a human being die in agony. That’s a jump of several magnitudes. It’s terribly sad.

There's a lot of comments coming out now that both he and his mother suffered from some kind of terrible chronic back pain, and he himself had some kind of surgery on his back and that he and his mother both had big problems with UHC in this regard. It might still be a bit early to say if these stories are correct or not, but if they are, it would provide ample motive for the crime. It's a very small step from seeing your mother suffer greatly (and you too) because of insurance company malfeasance to wanting to kill the guy in charge.

Also, this is a quibble, but I don't think he saw the CEO "die in agony": he fired his 3 shots (with some difficulty because of the particular way the gun and suppressor worked), and then took off to get his bicycle. The CEO later died in the hospital.

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Post by warner25 »

autoexec wrote: post #302
siliconc0w wrote: post #291

Kinda amazing someone with enough foresight to plan this and conceal their identity doesn't burn their ID and destroy the weapon as like the priority 1 after getting out of the city.

If he planned to go after others he'd still need that gun, and he might have needed the IDs to get to his next target.

Even if this were the case, I think that the fake ID would no longer be helpful to him once investigators were aware of it. I'd assume that scanning it anywhere would set off some alarms.

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Post by shiroiushi »

autoexec wrote: post #330
crawfordcomeaux wrote: post #33

With programmers, hackers, computer scientists, systems designers/engineers carrying some of the most privileged skillsets needed for designing and implementing replacements to systems of oppression (and disruptions to said systems), I've been wondering where the ones working to do this can be found. I learned in Computer Ethics 101 about how the history of the development of radiological machines led to the realizat…

> I'm looking for different paths than murder to accomplish this. It seems like our entire system has been intentionally designed and refined over centuries specifically to ensure that nothing short of radical, even violent, acts will have any meaningful impact on those in power. Corporations in particular have insulated themselves from any accountability whatsoever and there are literal serial killers who knowingly…

>Corporations in particular have insulated themselves from any accountability whatsoever and there are literal serial killers who knowingly sold products and took actions that they knew would kill people who have never and will never see a single day behind bars.

Exactly: look at the people behind the Ford Pinto (with the exploding gas tank), and more recently the people behind the Boeing 737MAX.

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