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Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by Modified3019 »

lxgr wrote: post #378
Modified3019 wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“iwantmyname”, from leafo’s post here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42364033

I find it curious that this (purely factual and correct) comment got downvoted/flagged into oblivion.

Now that it’s morning, I realize that the comment I was replying to wasn’t asking about itch.io’s registrar, but was actually a reply to a post by sureglymop.

Basically I didn’t notice the very slight indentation on my phone. Whoops.

I don’t know who sureglymop‘s registrar is. I’d encourage them to name and shame, refusing to refund is unacceptable.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by SunlitCat »

crtasm wrote: post #324
TiredOfLife wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And itch.io who removed that page.

>a fan page for an existing Funko Pop video game (Funko Fusion), with links to the official site and screenshots of the game. I'd expect them to remove that, they're not a host for fan pages.

I never understood that urge of people to do "fan pages" (or fan anything, without the permission of the original creator) while at the same time blatantly ripping content.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by dartos »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #400
dartos wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can be responsible with an exit and sell to someone you’d believe will keep the company’s mission.

And what if I can't find anyone? And what if they do 180 a week later? And it's not like running a registrar is something what can even have a mission other than earning money.

> And what if I can't find anyone?

I would honestly be surprised if that was the case, but if you really tried, then you tried.

You pick who you’d hope would continue the mission OR you try to sell to employees.

> And what if they do 180 a week later?

Then you picked wrong, but the risk of picking wrong is not a good reason to not try to pick correctly.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by salawat »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #360
saghm wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree that copyright law is deeply flawed, but even with the current law, it seems like this situation could easily have been avoided. The issue is one malicious private company (Brandshield) taking advantage of the negligence of another private company (the registrar) by claiming that a site was being used for "fraud and phishing". If anything, the parent comment from the person running the site makes me…

A bad law is bad if it leads to injustice even beyond its original scope. We have seen numerous problems with DMCA abuse and copyright strikes in other forms. We have patent trolling and this abuse artificially feds a whole industry of dubious lawyers. I think this is not even a small problem and all these factors combined does make it a bad law, even if it would still protect innovation like it once was to meant to…

The platform will always be preferentially targeted because the larger you are the more you have to lose, the more likely it is you actualy have assets to go after if you don't deal with the alleged noncompliance.

How have y'all not realized that's how all this works?

It's why DNS is an anti-feature. As long as registrar's exist, it'll be an active lever utilized for basic deplatforming. Until everyone can host their own stuff, and networking is de-hub-and-spoked, this type of behavior will continue.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by teddyh »

remram wrote: post #409
teddyh wrote: post #244

Like I frequently¹ advise²: Don’t look to large, well-known registrars. I would suggest that you look for local registrars in your area . The TLD registry for your country/area usually has a list of the authorized registrars, so you can simply search that for entities with a local address. Disclaimer: I work at such a small registrar, but you are not in our target market. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32095…

How do you monitor for when they inevitably get acquired?

That’s a very SV view on things; i.e. that small companies inevitably get acquired. Most small companies don’t actually get acquired, and are not looking to be acquired.

The simple answer is: Choose a registrar without significant external investors.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by lxgr »

moralestapia wrote: post #419
lxgr wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course domain registrations are also subject to national law. .io in particular is (currently) under UK jurisdiction.

Hmm ... you're right, I could have worded that differently to help people like you understand the point being made. s/domain names are not/DNS is not/

I still don't get the point (presumably due to being in the set of "people like me") – could you please elaborate?

And I don't get what DNS has to do with any of this; this is a registrar/legal dispute, not a nameserver/technical one.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by lxgr »

lxgr wrote: post #378
Modified3019 wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“iwantmyname”, from leafo’s post here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42364033

I find it curious that this (purely factual and correct) comment got downvoted/flagged into oblivion.

Update: Turns out GP simply replied to the wrong thread, so it was just a typical case of "downvoting takes less effort than pointing out a mistake", I suppose.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by Aachen »

subarctic wrote: post #177
nicoloren wrote: post #93

I've experienced the same thing: a YouTube channel deleted without any explanation (the email from Google mentioned spam, even though I filmed all the videos myself), Facebook preventing me from sharing posts from a website (without any explanation), and of course, domain names that get deindexed from Google without any reason (no message in Google Search Console). I believe we've reached a point where any activity o…

I mean at least those are walled garden platforms where this sort of thing we've come to expect. An independent website as big as itch.io going down because of a bogus complaint is a big surprise

That's what I thought. Last week, two of my domains were frozen by the TLD owner without notice, and they'd take them offline altogether in 7 days if I didn't supply some paperwork to my registrar

I've had these domains for ten years, now all of a sudden this is super urgent and if I'm on holiday that'd be a real shame I guess

So I contact the registrar and a link to the relevant legislation was sufficient to send them a perfectly agreeably censored version of my identity document (removing just irrelevant information they can't use or verify anyway), but apparently all they do is forward it to support@afnic.fr and not actually mark the domain holder as verified. So AFNIC, predictably, rejects it because GDPR doesn't exist in France

I saw no other choice but to send everything into AFNIC's email inbox / support system, which famously never get leaked and they assured me was "highly" secured when I asked to at least remove it after verification

With just 7 days' notice and half of that going to the distraction of a registrar, there's also no way to figure out what's even going on or have any sort of conversation. They hold all the cards and you jump when they say hop

I'm considering my options for any TLDs owned by AFNIC... evidently .io isn't better, but how to know who is

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by lxgr »

paxys wrote: post #167
rf15 wrote: post #7

Brand Shield and other AI slopware needs to be sued to death for all the damage they cause, including their customer's reputation and bottom line

Even if the suit is 100% justified (which it is in this case), and you can show damages, the problem will usually be of jurisdiction. Funko Pop is an American Company. BrandShield, the "Brand Protection Software" they used, is based out of Israel. iwantmyname, the registrar, is from New Zealand. They got bought out by Team Internet, which is British. And who knows where all of them are actually registered. They are a…

You don't necessarily have to sue them in their place of registration if they're doing business elsewhere. "Defending trademark rights" probably counts as that.

Re: Itch.io Taken Down by Funko

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Post by lxgr »

CM30 wrote: post #242

It should be illegal for any company to rely on AI or automation to handle legal risks, especially without any human driven support to fall back on. The fact we're handling over things this serious to unreliable and poorly configured systems feels like absolute insanity to me. Also, why is the domain registrar even being contacted here? I thought the general idea was that you'd first contact the site owner and wait f…

I don't think it needs to be illegal – it should be enough to just hold companies responsible for the consequences, just like they are for using any other kind of technical system without appropriate supervision.
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