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Post by paulryanrogers »

coldtea wrote: post #229
paulryanrogers wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some are more objectively real threats than others. Like that guy who claims to only want to be dictator for a day, who sent an armed mob to storm the Capital building, pardoned cronies and war criminals, and brags about walking in on women naked.

For "an armed mob to storming", it looked a hell of a lot like a bunch of stupid ass demonstrators getting inside a government building with no plans, no leadership, and no fucking clue what to do, and then getting summarily expelled. That is to a coup what The Muppet Show is to Saw. As for the "pardoned cronies", isn't today a bad day to single one side out based on that? (Not to mention the singling out for "war cr…

174 people were injured in the 'riot'. People died. Trump had called for resistence, asked for metal detectors to be removed, physically attempted to rejoin the crowd by grabbing the wheel of the vehicle taking him home, stood silent for hours during the attack, and said "so what?" to the news his vice president was in grave danger. It was a failed coup and betrays the constitution he swore to protect and defend. Now he describes it as a "day of love" and the 'rioters' as hostages.

Biden pardoning his son is a black mark, especially for the tax evasion. (I think pardons should be abolished.) Yet an order of magnitude less worrisome than the scum Trump has pardoned and promises to pardon.

As to warmongers... which party voted almost unanimously to invade Iraq without hard evidence of WMDs? Who backed out of the Iranian nuclear deal? Who praises bullies and dictators? Who moved the embassy to Jerusalem? Who is so deluted they claim merely winning an election will bring peace to the Middle East and Europe? Who threatened to pull support from allies -- in the midst of a war -- because they want dirt on political rivals or to catch up on underpaid bills. (Trump knows a thing or two about not paying when he owes someone.)

Why the silence about my other remark? Does assaulting, denigrating, and stripping the rights of women not bother you?

Why do you carry water for this man?

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Post by Rapzid »

jmyeet wrote: post #173

South Korea is dying. It has the lowest birth rate in the world: ~0.78 children per woman. If you want to know what that means, take 100 people (50 men, 50 women). In 3 generations there are... 6 people. That's population collapse. Every developed nation is barreling towards this fate. It's what end stage capitalism and 5 chaebols-in-a-trenchcoat as a government looks like. The only thing preventing population collap…

They are quite open to immigration now. If you've been recently you'd know they are practically begging people to move there and make babies.

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Post by relaxing »

lazide wrote: post #30
a012 wrote: post #23

Does it apply to the whole country? Then we the tourists are really freaking pissed

It’s a rare day a coup will interrupt a tourists day. Keep spending, it should be fine.

It’ll get annoying if transit shuts down, or gas stations. I’ve been in countries when this happens. It’s quite inconvenient.

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Post by skissane »

anon291 wrote: post #212
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #125

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> Is that really as true as it used to be since COVID? A number of governments enacted quite astonishingly repressive measures Zero countries in the West enacted anything resembling martial law. The only freedoms abridged were those of movement and assembly, and even then the penalty was being shut down or ticketed, rarely jail, never summary execution.

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> Australia made you submit a video of yourself at random to state authorities.

That was a single state government (South Australia), a state with only around 7% of Australia’s population. And it only applied to people in post-travel quarantine. It would be like if a single US state government (e.g. Florida, which is roughly the same percentage of the US population as South Australia is of Australia’s) introduced some controversial policy and then non-Americans were presenting it as “the US makes you…”, as if it were some nation-wide policy

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Post by yeonsh »

Democracy in Korea at a Crossroad

On December 3, 2024, at 10:27 PM, President Yoon Seokyeol declared martial law. This declaration is illegal and constitutes a criminal act, directly violating the Constitution and other laws.

It is essentially a coup d'état.

The current political and social situation does not meet the criteria of "a time when it is necessary to respond to military needs or maintain public order in wartime or a similar national emergency" as outlined in Article 77 of the Constitution. Therefore, the emergency martial law is invalid and illegal, and the president should be held accountable. Additionally, martial law is procedurally invalid as there was no cabinet meeting, which is required by Article 2(5) of the Martial Law Act. This martial law is null and void!

It is illegal for martial law forces to enter the National Assembly. We demand the immediate lifting of martial law.

Kim Min-seok, Member of the National Assembly of the Republic of Korea

http://youtube.com/post/Ugkxb5QujtsQagPZalY1RJLx8Cd-W3gdyqO1...

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Post by foxglacier »

zelon88 wrote: post #355
dyauspitr wrote: post #290

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The paradox is; Society should benefit everyone equally. If it doesn't, then the ones who are not benefiting have a social responsibility to adjust it until it does. By hook or by crook, for better or worse. Equity is usually pretty difficult to swallow for those who are benefiting inequitably. But the thing is, if it's not working for everyone, it isn't working at all and it should probably be broken the rest of the…

What if there's no solution that has both equity and survival of the society? I don't think we have any known solution yet. Of course if the society collapses, the equity goes with it.

By the way, how is women being housewives them at the bottom? Housewives have an equal share of their husbands' income, so they're just as wealthy as men. They also traditionally control what it's spent on. It's just that their job is childcare instead of pushing buttons on a machine. Is the problem that men can choose which kind of machine they'll spend all day pushing buttons on but housewives can't choose their work?

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Post by [deleted] »

aurareturn wrote: post #314
sneak wrote: post #168

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The rest of the replies here seem to be personal attitudes and opinions. Objectively, the state-promoted bogeymen in the USA are consistently Iran, China, DPRK, and increasingly Russia. I just spent a month in China and the disparity between what we are told in western media and what is actually going on is substantial, but not in the ways I expected.

I just spent a month in China and the disparity between what we are told in western media and what is actually going on is substantial, but not in the ways I expected. I always tell people on Hacker News to just book a flight to Shenzhen. Just go. They'll be completely safe there - probably even safer than where they come from. They can go see China for themselves, instead of through western media. The vast majority…

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Post by giardini »

wruza wrote: post #90
dtquad wrote: post #60

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1. Very low trust in politicians after it was revealed former president Park Geun-hye was secretly a crypto-Christian cult member despite claiming to be atheist. 2. South Korea has a bizarre large-scale "gender war" going on that extents into mainstream society. Imagine the Western online MRA/redpill/incel vs. radfem circles but as core identities in national politics. For some reason a high-trust society has decided…

crypto-Christian cult Had to look that up and wasn’t disappointed…

I was disappointed b/c it was not clear. OP could have instead stated:

"...former president Park Geun-hye was secretly a religious cult member."

which is shorter and clearer.

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Post by kube-system »

maronato wrote: post #401
kube-system wrote: post #278

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Because the world has never been a more peaceful place than when the US was a major dominant superpower. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Americana

Pax Americana is about the American military and economic dominance over other nations. > the world has never been a more peaceful place That isn’t written anywhere in the article you linked, and is provably false. Many places in the Middle East, Africa, South America, Eastern Europe, and Asia have been either invaded by, ignored by, or coup’d by the US during Pax Americana. It’s only “peaceful” for US & Friends beca…

It's the dang title of the article and again in the first sentence.

And it's provably true: https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3816326/o...

Since the mid 20th century, we've seen a decline from some of the the bloodiest times on the planet, to the most peaceful.

> Many places in the Middle East, Africa, South America, Eastern Europe, and Asia have been either invaded by, ignored by, or coup’d by the US during Pax Americana.

So? 'Peace' is being used here as a relative term. Humans have always engaged in war to varying non-zero degrees.

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