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Don’t trust the Je… eh, Russians. I’m not sure whether you are serious with that xenophobic comment.
did you just say JEHOVAH?
Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted
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#422Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Russian oligarchs have no say in any of this, they never have, people in the West still repeating this mantra almost 3 years since the war in Ukraine has started for good is a big part of the reason why the same West is close to military defeat there, they just refuse to acknowledge how Russia really operates.
The "never have" part certainly isn't true. For a certain period of time, they definitely had significant influence. They just refuse to acknowledge how Russia really operates. By and large they have, actually, which is why one seldom hears the "oligarchs" mantra these days. In other words -- though you're correct in response to the flagged commment, in the bigger-picture sense, you're railing against a straw man.
In military/strategic issues they certainly never had anything to say, not even during the dreadful ‘90s.
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#423Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Russian oligarchs have no say in any of this, they never have, people in the West still repeating this mantra almost 3 years since the war in Ukraine has started for good is a big part of the reason why the same West is close to military defeat there, they just refuse to acknowledge how Russia really operates.
>acknowledge how Russia really operates. Enlighten us then. How would suggest Russia should be treated?
Treated by whom?
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And also Ireland escorted a Russian spy ship away from their cables: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/16/russian-spy-sh...
A disruption in communications can mean only one thing: invasion.
yes. What Russia does currently is probing and testing - what it takes to disrupt all the necessary cables simultaneously to create communication breakdown and a lot of chaos, what resources and time it takes to repair (and thus planning the options on blocking those repair resources, etc.) It takes tanks half-a-day to cross the Baltic states to reach the sea. That is the time Russia wants to buy. Once Russian forces are already in Riga, Tallinn, Vilnus, the NATO will have a decision to make on whether to bomb the Russian forces already placed by that time among the Baltic states population.
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Irish sea is relatively near to the Baltic sea?
According to Google it's 854nm. The spy ship is alleged to be able to go 15 knots which means it could make the distance in 2.5 days. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/russian-spy-ship-present-off...
Russia itself is nearer
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#426Earlier quoted context omitted.
A disruption in communications can mean only one thing: invasion.
yes. What Russia does currently is probing and testing - what it takes to disrupt all the necessary cables simultaneously to create communication breakdown and a lot of chaos, what resources and time it takes to repair (and thus planning the options on blocking those repair resources, etc.) It takes tanks half-a-day to cross the Baltic states to reach the sea. That is the time Russia wants to buy. Once Russian forces…
Still waiting for Russian forces to occupy Kyiv
Re: Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted
#427Earlier quoted context omitted.
yes. What Russia does currently is probing and testing - what it takes to disrupt all the necessary cables simultaneously to create communication breakdown and a lot of chaos, what resources and time it takes to repair (and thus planning the options on blocking those repair resources, etc.) It takes tanks half-a-day to cross the Baltic states to reach the sea. That is the time Russia wants to buy. Once Russian forces…
Still waiting for Russian forces to occupy Kyiv
I suggest you revisit the history of the first days of the invasion, specifically the depth which the ground armored forces reached in the first 2-3 days and what and how they were stopped. The Baltic states "width" is much smaller, and thus there is much less time to organize defense, etc. It is hardly enough time even just for taking the decision to initiate defense. Of course, like in the case with Ukraine, Russia wouldn't succeed if the quick invasion turns instead into a face-to-face war midway. That is why they are looking for a way to create blackout and chaos.
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#428Dumb question but my assumption is fiber optic cables could be “tapped”? But the disruption would be noticeable when monitoring the cable. Could you just tap it when you cut it and when it hooked back up that’s the new baseline with the tap in place? That would seem more of a logical reason then a country just randomly cutting lines to me?
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/07/th...
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This is a misleading framing. The two cables last year were not taken out by an anchor as an accident, it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable. In other words, sabotage. There's no point in trying to color any of this with rose tinted glasses when it's clear who's done it and why.
> it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable I don't understand. That's how I'd expect most accidents to happen. Someone decides to anchor too close to an undersea cable, the anchor fails to hold and the drifting ship drags the anchor over the cable damaging it. I'm not saying it wasn't sabotage, but there needs to be something a bit more than that. Sourc…
The case last year with the gas pipeline, the Chinese / Russian owned left Kaliningrad, and then while sailing, dropped its anchor before the pipeline and cable, and then dragged it over them, and then raised it. It was apparently accidental, yet both the Chinese and Russians didn't want the crew interviewed, the Estonian and the Finnish authorities both shrugged and didn't really care, and the Estonian energy prices were severly impacted for ~9 months.
IMO very very likely sabotage, and brushed under the rug in fear of Russian escalation.