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Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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i thought they did DSA interviews at netflix what happened? I had to watch the fight on someone streaming to X from their phone at the event and it was better than watching on netflix..if you could watch at all. extremely embarrassing!

My theory is they've so heavily optimized for static content and distributing content on edge nodes that they were probably poorly setup for live-streaming.

This, I feel bad for their engineers who were told every bonus would be a matter of how low can they get the cost-per-GB of transferred data, leading to the glorious Netflix-in-a-box (https://openconnect.netflix.com/deploymentguide.pdf) and then management casually asks for a live show with a wildly different set of guarantee requirements.

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I thought Netflix’s biggest advantage was the quality/salary of its engineers.

I think that every time I wait for Paramount+ to restart after its gone black in picture on picture, and yet, I’n still on Paramount+ and not Netflix, so maybe that advantage isn’t real.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to work for a live streaming platform once. We always joked that VOD (Netflix) was "easy" compared to live.

Not really a joke, though? VOD has obvious methods to cheat a bit. Redundancy abounds and you can even network shape for costs. Could probably get even better compression for clear reasons. Live, not so much. One source that you have to fanout from and absolutely no way to get cheap redundancy. Right?

Yes, of course but it was still a cope because we never saw more than maybe 3M concurrent viewers at a time

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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i thought they did DSA interviews at netflix what happened? I had to watch the fight on someone streaming to X from their phone at the event and it was better than watching on netflix..if you could watch at all. extremely embarrassing!

someone's going to have to reverse a linked list of subscriptions.

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I watched on an AppleTV and the stream was rock solid. I don’t know if it’s still the case, but in the past some devices worked better than others during peak times because they used different bandwidth providers. This was the battle between Comcast and Cogent and Netflix.

Your device type has no influence on your provider and its bandwidth characteristics. If you're on Comcast, Apple can't magically make it not suck.

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People just do not appreciate how many gotchas can pop up doing anything live. Sure, Netflix might have a great CDN that works great for their canned content and I could see how they might have assumed that's the hardest part.

Live has changed over the years from large satellite dishes beaming to a geosat and back down to the broadcast center($$$$$), to microwave to a more local broadcast center($$$$), to running dedicated fiber long haul back to a broadcast center($$$), to having a kit with multiple cell providers pushing a signal back to a broadcast center($$), to having a direct internet connection to a server accepting a live http stream($).

I'd be curious to know what their live plan was and what their redundant plan was.

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When you step back and look at the situation, it's not hard to see why Netflix dropped the ball here. Here's now I see it (not affiliated with Netflix, pure speculation):

- Months ago, the "higher ups" at Netflix struck a deal to stream the fight on Netflix. The exec that signed the deal was probably over the moon because it would get Netflix into a brand new space and bring in large audience numbers. Along the way the individuals were probably told that Netflix doesn't do livestreaming but they ignored it and assumed their talented Engineers could pull it off.

- Once the deal was signed then it became the Engineer's problem. They now had to figure out how to shift their infrastructure to a whole new set of assumptions around live events that you don't really have to think about when streaming static content.

- Engineering probably did their absolute best to pull this off but they had two main disadvantages, first off they don't have any of the institutional knowledge about live streaming and they don't really know how to predict demand for something like this. In the end they probably beefed up livestreaming as much as they could but still didn't go far enough because again, no one there really knows how something like this will pan out.

- Evening started off fine but crap hit the fan later in the show as more people tuned in for the main card. Engineering probably did their best to mitigate this but again, since they don't have the institutional knowledge of live events, they were shooting in the dark hoping their fixes would stick.

Yes Netflix as a whole screwed this one up but I'm tempted to give them more grace than usual here. First off the deal that they struck was probably one they couldn't ignore and as for Engineering, I think those guys did the freaking best they could given their situation and lack of institutional knowledge. This is just a classic case of biting off more than one can chew, even if you're an SV heavyweight.

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I thought Netflix’s biggest advantage was the quality/salary of its engineers. I think that every time I wait for Paramount+ to restart after its gone black in picture on picture, and yet, I’n still on Paramount+ and not Netflix, so maybe that advantage isn’t real.

Sigh, none of the competitors are much better. Disney, who has more than enough cash to throw at streaming, is a near constant hassle for us ( after 3 or more episodes it throws an inscrutable error on Playstation ). I would drop it, but this is the only remaining streaming service and wife is not willing to drop it ( I guess until 1 it is one error per one episode ).

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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When you step back and look at the situation, it's not hard to see why Netflix dropped the ball here. Here's now I see it (not affiliated with Netflix, pure speculation): - Months ago, the "higher ups" at Netflix struck a deal to stream the fight on Netflix. The exec that signed the deal was probably over the moon because it would get Netflix into a brand new space and bring in large audience numbers. Along the way t…

>First off the deal that they struck was probably one they couldn't ignore

If you can't provide the service you shouldn't sell it?

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