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Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then sticks him with $1,800 bill

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Re: Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then sticks him with $1,800 bill

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post #229

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Because you think you don’t pay for your healthcare? As an European, I have probably paid upwards of 150k for healthcare and probably got about 10k worth of it (at what might consider unreasonable prices, mind you). Even in countries with universal healthcare, it’s not free. There is always someone footing the bill. EDIT: a word

This is such a tired, pedantic retort. Nobody believes that taxpayer-funded services are "not paid for". OP obviously meant "pay for fully by the individual at the point of sale." And yes, as an American, it also boggles my mind that we have to pay for emergency health services including ambulances[1]. My wife, who is not from a stone-age civilization like ours, didn't realize it either the first time we needed to hi…

I am sorry you feel it was a tired and pedantic retort, I might just have misunderstood what OP was trying to say. I was not trying to be pedantic, just to point out that some people (in this case, also OP) think we somehow get healthcare thrown at us for free when this is far from being the case.

In the case of Switzerland (which is in Europe, at least geographically) we do not have a “taxpayer-funded system” (see my other comment in the thread) and that ambulance ride would have to have been (depending on your insurance providers which go with a “you pay now, we reimburse later”, literally) paid fully at the individual at the point of sale (in the most logical model for someone in good health, the first 2’500 CHF + 10% up to 700 CHF a year are “self pay”).

Moreover, ambulance rides are not covered by the health care insurance in case of “accidents”. Which in this case (being run over by an ambulance) it very clearly is. It might be covered by the accident insurance, if you have one (which to be fair is the case if you work more than 20%). In case of “sickness”, some complementary insurances might reimburse for part of these costs.

You would probably find that this is actually the case in many European countries. The American healthcare system might be broken, but please don’t pretend that the ones in Europe aren’t and that we all live in some kind of healthcare utopia (see someone else’s post about the two-speed German system in the thread).

Healthcare is very lucrative, and greed does not know any borders.

Re: Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then sticks him with $1,800 bill

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post #288

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Cue an extremely vivid memory of a rainy drenched Washington DC street awash with glare and sparkle from the street lights. Car in front of me lit the brakes, and I grab the front handbrake on my little 250 to.... nothing. No result. "uh" escaped my mouth as I grabbed a somewhat panicked handful of brake and slammed on the rear again to.. absolutely nothing except a lighter rear wheel. Finally had to just lean into a…

When you say 'gliding' you mean the... what? I'm confused. When you lock the front in the wet, 'nothing' is the best possible outcome and even then doesn't last long enough. I'm assuming your 250 had ABS and the 'nothing' was it not dramatically flopping you onto the road. (As an aside, I used to hate ABS and I've now totally come around to it. New ABS is so incredibly much better than old ABS.) Also there's no such…

No ABS on the 250 and I agree, I won't buy anything without it ever again.

By "gliding" I mean the acute sensation of the loss of weighted-ness on the road. Like when you hit a patch of ice in a car or when you're at a severe lean angle and the tires start to skip a little.

Let me assure you, there very much is such a thing as a quick hard veer in the wet. My fingers on the keyboard right now are proof, ha-ha

Re: Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then sticks him with $1,800 bill

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post #383

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I don't know why you think Netherlands is known for ow pedestrian/cycling deaths. Here is some data: https://road-safety.transport.ec.europa.eu/system/files/2021... You can say more people cycle in Netherlands but then a lot of people cycle in Spain or Northern Italy as well and those are more populous countries/regions. It's just very hard to get data that include all factors but the data we do get is not so good fo…

Oh my. First of, the statistics you point to are terrible. It's not the first time I've seen EU statistics on cycling be utterly incompetent either, it's weird. Anyhow: " Although there are no data available at EU level on the trend in cycling kilometres travelled , it is widely recognized that cycling has increased in popularity over the past decade." There you go, the entire dataset is invalid. As a curiosity, plea…

>>If the infrastructure is terrible, the solution is to make it not terrible. Changing laws is a lazy, ineffectual cop-out. It is always more effective to change the infrastructure. Regular people are not going to be cycling amidst vehicles.

Changing the infrastructure is very hard though. Changing laws so car drivers doesn't feel entitled to the road or feel justified committing violence towards cyclists is easy. It just requires political will.

Re: Ambulance hits cyclist, rushes him to hospital, then sticks him with $1,800 bill

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post #388

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Yeah, some do. They are not going to kill anyone though unlike drivers. We know where the problems is: cars and drivers. Focus on that instead of derailing the discussion. There are lives and health of people on the line.

> We know where the problems is: cars and drivers. We don't, and cyclists will get nowhere until they take responsibility and stop acting like victims. Everyone who drives around cyclists sees how badly many of them act - on average, IME, much worse than drivers.

Man, we have stats on that. Drivers cause majority of accidents. They cause almost 100% of fatal ones where the innocent party dies/get hurt.

It can't really be clearer.

>>Everyone who drives around cyclists sees how badly many of them act - on average, IME, much worse than drivers.

I am sorry but you are just so biased you can't tell black from white. Car drivers speed, don't pay attention, are on the phone all the time. Your view is so far detached from reality is like saying water isn't wet. Again, we have stats, we know who dies, we know who causes more danger. Cyclists and pedestrians are victims of careless drivers every day. You are just spewing complete nonsense that if repeated makes people less safe.

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