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Post by throw0101a »

carstenhag wrote: post #416
sroussey wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this threw me as well. When the iMac didn’t support WiFi 7, I got a bit worried. I have an M2, so not going to get this, but the spouse needs a new Air and I figure that everything would have WiFi 7 by then, and now I don’t think so.

Faster is always nice, makes sense. But do you really need WiFi 7 features/speed? I don't know when I would notice a difference (on a laptop) between 600 or 1500 Mbit/s (just as an example). Can't download much anyhow as the storage will get full in minutes.

> But do you really need WiFi 7 features/speed?

One of the features is preamble punching, which is useful in more dense environments:

* https://community.fs.com/article/how-preamble-puncturing-boo...

* https://www.ruckusnetworks.com/blog/2023/wi-fi-7-and-punctur...

MLO helps with resiliency and the improved OFDMA helps with spectrum efficiency as well. It's not just about speed.

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Post by jq-r »

DrBenCarson wrote: post #249
nsteel wrote: post #157

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But still just 256GB SSD Storage. £200 for the upgrade to 512GB (plus a couple more GPU cores that I don't need. Urgh.

It’s stationary. Just get a Thunderbolt NVMe drive and leave it plugged in

Why buy a laptop then if you're lugging all those external hard drives?

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Post by subarctic »

vishnugupta wrote: post #104

Can someone please help me out with this? I'm torn between Mac mini and and MacBook Pro, specifically the CPU spec difference. MBP: Apple M4 Max chip with 16‑core CPU, 40‑core GPU and 16‑core Neural Engine Mac mini: Apple M4 Pro chip with 14‑core CPU, 20‑core GPU, 16-core Neural Engine What kind of workload would make me regret not having bought MBP over Mac mini given the above. Thanks!

Doesn't it make a bigger difference that one of them is a laptop and one of them is a mini computer that you have to leave plugged in?

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Post by jq-r »

int_19h wrote: post #393
twilo wrote: post #136

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Great news. The pro is kinda of heavy for my liking so the Air is the way to go

It's not just the weight - Air is also fanless (and still runs cold). And yes, with enough RAM, it is a surprisingly good dev laptop.

Really too bad you cannot upgrade to 32GB RAM though =(

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Post by carstenhag »

alexashka wrote: post #397

The software stack has gotten so bad that no amount of hardware can make up for it. The compile times for Swift, the gigabytes of RAM everything seems to eat up. I closed all my apps and I'm at 10gb of RAM being used - I have nothing open. Does this mean the Macbook Air 8gb model I had 10 years ago would basically be unable to just run the operating system alone? It's disconcerting. Ozempic for terrible food and car-…

Memory doesn't need to be freed until a different software needs it.

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Post by thesurlydev »

duckmysick wrote: post #409
thesurlydev wrote: post #308

My wallet is trembling. On a side note, anyone know what database software was shown during the announcement?

What's the timestamp? At 3:43 there's Luna Modeler. https://www.datensen.com/data-modeling/luna-modeler-for-rela...

Thanks. That's it. Coincidentally, I found out what it was by looking at the actual press release where they had a screenshot of it too.

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Post by dcchambers »

cebert wrote: post #401

I wish Apple would let me max out the RAM on a lower performance chip. That’s more valuable to me than more compute.

I think it's just one of the tradeoffs of having everything on one SOC. They can only realistically and efficiently make so many versions.

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Post by nsxwolf »

carlgreene wrote: post #94

What’s amazing is that in the past I’ve felt the need to upgrade within a few years. New video format or more demanding music software is released that slows the machine down, or battery life craters. Well, I haven’t had even a tinge of feeling that I need to upgrade after getting my M1 Pro MBP. I can’t remember it ever skipping a beat running a serious Ableton project, or editing in Resolve. Can stuff be faster? Tec…

My 2019 i9 flagship MBP is just so, so terrible, and my wife's M1 MacBook Air is so, so great. I can't get over how much better her computer is than mine.

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Post by mort96 »

404mm wrote: post #359
throw0101a wrote: post #27

> All MacBook Pro models feature an HDMI port that supports up to 8K resolution, a SDXC card slot, a MagSafe 3 port for charging, and a headphone jack, along with support for Wi-Fi 6E and Bluetooth 5.3. No Wifi 7. So you get access to the 6 GHz band, but not some of the other features (preamble punching, OFDMA): * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_7 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_6E The iPhone 16s do have Wi…

The lack of Wifi7 is a real bummer for me. I was hoping to ditch the 2.5Gbe dongle and just use WiFi.

Hm why? Is 6E really so much worse than 7 in practice that 7 can replace wired for you but 6E can't? That's honestly really weird to me. What's the practical difference in latency, bandwidth or reliability you've experienced between 6E and 7?

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Post by brewmarche »

nsbk wrote: post #146
bhouston wrote: post #105

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But no update to a M4 for the MacBook Air yet unfortunately. I would love to get an M4 MacBook Air with 32GB. I believe the rumor is that the MacBook Air will get the update to M4 in early spring 2025, February/March timeline.

This is the machine I'm waiting for. Hopefully early 2025

Given that the Mini and iMac have received support for one more additional external display (at 60Hz 6K), I hope we’ll see the same on the MBA M4.
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